hello all
hello all
hello all
Hello, is there anybody in there?
Dumas Walker wrote to drlong671 <=-
Re: is there anyone out there?
By: drlong671 to All on Mon Nov 03 2025 17:05:42
Hello, is there anybody in there?
ey]=$ Nightfox im here and quite talkative looking for someone to help me navigate the oages easier ahah like this message i dont even know how to send it ?
It looks like your message did get sent.. But I'm not sure exactly what you're asking - Is this about one of my Synchronet mods? And what is "oages"?
i just need someone to help me navigate this ui, so i dont get lost or stuck and then i can use it as i intended, n not get frustrated ahah n im quite new to telnet and bbs so theres alot i think i miss out thats common place for you lot...
Well by the UI user interface i mean the whole set up layout of the bbs like so i may navigate it fluenty? soes that make sense? like dont wanna drag ya down but if i get stuck on something am I okay to ask for help cuz that guru is just ong, but yeah that it basically.
Thanks for your advice Night Fox, I'm actually on an iphone haha i had to alter the collumns to fit 80 collumns because i couldnt access slyedit before initially, ahah but yeah im shattered abit so gonna go to bed, hmm
Re: is there anyone out there?
By: Codefenix to Nightfox on Wed Dec 03 2025 08:32 am
Yes, I do apologise, that I was not soo up with my grammer as I
should be, quite lazy tbh because id become pretty tired and
frustrated trying to surf this ui which is new to me even alien...
yep apologies, but yeah kinda ended up needing help, ended up
speaking to the guru, it was somewhat helpful n somewhat useless
so yeah funny it was kinda evasive sometimes anyway yeah i need a
guide or afew, and i promise to touch up on my grammer and so forth
and so on. m
Much thanks Night Spider
Night_Spider wrote to Nightfox <=-
Re: is there anyone out there?
By: Nightfox to Night_Spider on Wed Dec 03 2025 04:45 pm
Well by the UI user interface i mean the whole set up layout of the bbs like so i may navigate it fluenty? soes that make sense? like dont
wanna drag ya down but if i get stuck on something am I okay to ask for help cuz that guru is just ong, but yeah that it basically.
Well, Im using my iphone, but i am getting used to it, it was just i was getting stuck on sections and wasnt abke to go back without logging in, and i think isnt yhere meant to games on here but i cant find them ____Night_Spider____
to late oh yeah was gonna ask if your signature was a bbs or like ya email on here or what?
oh i realise that a laptop is far better than a iphone lol, its not that i
Hey Night_Spider, if you are stuck "calling" a BBS with an iphone or an ipad, check out the MuffinTerm app. It is a great ANSI capable terminal for iOS. Be sure to set your user config on each BBS to ANSI for best results. FYI, ANSI is the "graphics" standard that most BBS's support.
If someone replies to me without quoting, sometimes it feels like the message is out of left field, and I'm less likely to reply to it if I
can't follow the conversation.
If someone replies to me without quoting, sometimes it feels like the
message is out of left field, and I'm less likely to reply to it if I can't
follow the conversation.
I would imagine quoting on an Iphone is probably harder than using the BBS itself. ;)
Maybe, although (at least using SlyEdit) you can type /q and press enter
to open the quote window and then select a quote, and press ESC to close
the quote window. I doubt that would be much harder than anything else using an iPhone.
Re: Re: is there anyone out there?
By: Lonewolf to Night_Spider on Thu Dec 04 2025 10:57 am
well im using Termius, so is this Muffin thing better?
Hey Night_Spider, if you are stuck "calling" a BBS with an iphone or anI'm not Night_Spider, but for me, a big factor that I think makes BBSing on a smartphone difficult is the lack of a physical keyboard. I type a lot better on a physical keyboard. Also, hotkeys using Ctrl & things like that are a lot easier on a physical keyboard too.
ipad, check out the MuffinTerm app. It is a great ANSI capable terminal
Maybe, although (at least using SlyEdit) you can type /q and press enter to
open the quote window and then select a quote, and press ESC to close the
quote window. I doubt that would be much harder than anything else using
an iPhone.
You should try it once, and let us all know how it looks.
I'm not Night_Spider, but for me, a big factor that I think makes BBSing
on a smartphone difficult is the lack of a physical keyboard. I type a
lot better on a physical keyboard. Also, hotkeys using Ctrl & things
like that are a lot easier on a physical keyboard too.
Well, my opinion is ANYTHING on a smart phone is more difficult because of the tiny fat finger prone virtual keyboard.
Well by the UI user interface i mean the whole set up layout of the bbs like so i may navigate it fluenty? soes that make sense? like dont wanna drag ya down but if i get stuck on something am I okay to ask for help cuz that guru is just ong, but yeah that it basically.
Come on man. You find a BBS UI difficult to navigate?
Come on man. You find a BBS UI difficult to navigate?
I have found some rediculously easy UIs very difficult to navigate on a phone. ;)
Night_Spider wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
Re: Re: is there anyone out there?
By: Dumas Walker to Gamgee on Fri Dec 05 2025 09:47 am
Ahhh, yeah, yano, I do kinda feel silly asking for help,
while im not really helping myself, yeah im out of touch with
comfortable tech like laptops and screens mice and keyboards and extra windows for convenience,
money n xmas doesnt help get deliverys in for tech tbf, yeah
if i could go back in time i wouldnt of asked for help, id
of instead been patient and not assumed the system was at fault, cuz
yeah with patience i am slowly learning, but often, i have to ask my ai all tge general command prefixs cuz theyre not all listed, seems to me that unless u know the system, then prefixed commands alot of them of predictable by ciding standards or interchangeable depending on preferences of the sysops i guess, but yeah im learning i guess slowly,
n i guess aswell sometimes it is nicer to learn mysicly than be handed
a guidebook, tho asking for help has been nice cuz i get to see whose
is chilled out aswell i guess,
but offtopic, ive asked in other threads, but i wondered where on synchronet im allowed to post for discussion new source codes and architectures, and technically specifications and implementation
details for something i want to create?
I think it is. MuffinTerm gives you a dialing directory, nice virtual keyboa
You should try it once, and let us all know how it looks.
Well I've used my BBS on my smartphone before, so I'm familiar with it alrea
command prefixs cuz theyre not all listed, seems to me that unless u know th
Well I've used my BBS on my smartphone before, so I'm familiar with it already. It's just a lot smaller, and has the virtual keyboard.. Those are reasons why I prefer not to use a BBS on a smartphone.
Well I've used my BBS on my smartphone before, so I'm familiar with it
already. It's just a lot smaller, and has the virtual keyboard.. Those
are reasons why I prefer not to use a BBS on a smartphone.
You could always connect a Bluetooth keyboard, for example, but well, same thing... I'm not a fan of virtual keyboards on phones or any other device for that matter.
That said, on a decent tablet with a mini keyboard (or not), it could be fun?!
but offtopic, ive asked in other threads, but i wondered where on synchronet i
allowed to post for discussion new source codes and architectures, and technically specifications and implementation details for something i want to create?
I have found some rediculously easy UIs very difficult to navigate on a phone. ;)
He didn't say he was using a phone at first.. But I think the only main difference when using a phone is that the screen is smaller and you're using a
virtual keyboard, which makes it a bit more difficult (to read and press the keys), but the general use of the UI is still the same.
My experience is that no, that is very much not the case. Having the virtual keyboard on the screen means only small parts of the actual screen are visible at any one time.
I would only attempt navigating the telnet interface of a BBS on a smart phone if I was attempting self-torture.
Nightfox wrote to Lonewolf <=-
Yes, I do tend to prefer using a physical keyboard for basically everything. :)
Gamgee wrote to Night_Spider <=-
I sure hope you write better source code than you do English "sentences"... To be honest it looks like pointless rambling from a 12 year old.
phigan wrote to Nightfox <=-
I do it all the time ;).. But specifically with BBSes that are awesome
to use at non-standard screen sizes, which means I don't HAVE to be at 80x25. I use Termux (Android) and iSH (iPhone) to connect to Level 29
and Mutiny:Community.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Gamgee <=-
Gamgee wrote to Night_Spider <=-
I sure hope you write better source code than you do English "sentences"... To be honest it looks like pointless rambling from a 12 year old.
We all started somewhere in our journey through eclectic, retro
tech...
We all started somewhere in our journey through eclectic, retro
tech...
True enough; but were most (all?) of us capable of composing a
reasonably correct/legible sentence before doing so?
That said, on a decent tablet with a mini keyboard (or not), it could be fun
phigan wrote to Lordwoodoo <=-
That said, on a decent tablet with a mini keyboard (or not), it could be fun
I find that an 8" tablet is just the right size.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Gamgee <=-
Gamgee wrote to Night_Spider <=-
I sure hope you write better source code than you do English "sentences"... To be honest it looks like pointless rambling from a 12 year old.
We all started somewhere in our journey through eclectic, retro
tech...
True enough; but were most (all?) of us capable of composing a
reasonably correct/legible sentence before doing so?
Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-
I sure hope you write better source code than you do English "sentences"... To be honest it looks like pointless rambling from a 12 year old.
We all started somewhere in our journey through eclectic, retro tech...
True enough; but were most (all?) of us capable of composing a
reasonably correct/legible sentence before doing so?
If our first language was English, probably. Otherwise, it could prove
a little more difficult for someone.
IIRC, I had at least two years of typing class, and half of a
(Commodore) BASIC programming class under my belt before accessing my first BBS. I don't think they offer either such things to high
schoolers these days. :D
IIRC, I had at least two years of typing class, and half of a
(Commodore) BASIC programming class under my belt before accessing my
first BBS. I don't think they offer either such things to high
schoolers these days. :D
I'm not sure how they do it in the inner cities, but out here in the suburbs, there is all of that. My kids' high school has woodworking, metals/welding, pottery, agriculture, cooking and probably more that
I can't think of. They also still teach cursive writing, but they
don't push it as necessary, say the Pledge of Allegiance every
morning, and play the National Anthem before every sporting event.
Let's not get too carried away here by saying it's not offered
to high schoolers, because it definitely is. It probably just
depends on how much the community cares about their children's
I'm not sure how they do it in the inner cities, but out here in the suburbs there is all of that. My kids' high school has woodworking, metals/welding,
I'm not sure how they do it in the inner cities, but out here in the
suburbs there is all of that. My kids' high school has woodworking,
metals/welding,
Yeah the school over here, which isn't hoity toity rich but isn't poor either, offers some kind of programming class still. Probably Python. It has a "computer basics" course requirement, though, that you can't test out of. So, you have to go through remedial BS, and then you can program. Pretty lame.
i think it depends on the school district. the one in my city which
isnt really inner city got tons of money and every year did a referendum
to get more money. They still shut down schools and took out
woodworking, metal shop, and cooking classes.
they also changed my step daughter's school into a fine arts school so
they could get different funding and drop some types of courses.
it looks like in my old school district they have 'digital citizenship'
wtf is that. and web design with html/css and wordpress. digital media
and programming fundementals. so not much but what can you expect.
Yeah the school over here, which isn't hoity toity rich but isn't poor either, offers some kind of programming class still. Probably Python. It
has a "computer basics" course requirement, though, that you can't test
out of. So, you have to go through remedial BS, and then you can
program. Pretty lame.
Hmmm, yeah, so I told the synchronet internal editor to quote part of
your message but all I got was blank lines.
At any rate, my statement was not a political one but specifically re: typing. I honestly doubt they still have physical typewriters in schools
any more. ;) As society has moved from typewriters to computers to
mobile devices, I also have doubts that typing is still around, and certainly not *2* years of it!
Back to the first paragraph and OT... I wonder if some of these "why
don't you quote stuff" newbies are using the internal editor and trying
to do the right thing and we are sh1tt1ng on them for nothing. ;)
If I read a message that isn't quoted and I don't know what it's in reference to, I just skip it. However, a few of these 'newbies' have quoted at least one message.
For the record, I haven't been shitting on anyone!
I find that an 8" tablet is just the right size.
That's what she said.
quite a bit on location with regards to proximity to Milwaukee,
Madison, and maybe even La Crosse or Eau Claire. It seems most of
the schools /between/ Milwaukee and Madison (out of the county,
most likely) have most of these things either still in place, or are
putting them back into the schools.
they also changed my step daughter's school into a fine arts school
so they could get different funding and drop some types of courses.
That's probably an entirely different topic. Seems they specifically
planned to go another route completely.
it looks like in my old school district they have 'digital
citizenship' wtf is that. and web design with html/css and wordpress. digital media and programming fundementals. so not much but what can
you expect.
At least they're doing something. Although, I have no idea what the
first subject would be about or what it would cover.
Hmmm, yeah, so I told the synchronet internal editor to quote part of
your message but all I got was blank lines.
Looks like you're using nano on this message. Are you using the correct execution of nano to pick up the quoted text from a text file?
It isn't a nano issue. There is something "funny" that goes on when trying to pick lines to quote in synchronet, before you ever get to the editor, when trying to quote messages with "run-on lines."
I did some testing. If you have the internal editor picked, the synchronet lines-to-quote chooser seems to wrap the lines and give "correct" lines numbers, i.e. if you pick to quote lines 5-10, you will get 5-10.
If you have an external picked, and are set up to allow you to choose the lines to quote before the editor is invoked, the synchronet lines-to-quote chooser does not wrap the lines properly and, if the message is very long at all, the numbers you are shown on the screen do not actually correspond to the line numbers. So, choosing what looks like 5-10 will not quote the lines you think it will... in the case of your message, my choice of lines to quote left me with a couple of mostly blank ones.
If you have an external picked, and are set up to allow you to choose
the lines to quote before the editor is invoked, the synchronet lines-to-quote chooser does not wrap the lines properly and, if the message is very long at all, the numbers you are shown on the screen do not
actually correspond to the line numbers. So, choosing what looks like 5-10 will not quote the lines you think it will... in the case of your message, my choice of lines to quote left me with a couple of mostly blank ones.
So probably not an issue that is affecting the newbs, and probably doesn't affect many others. Just the few that might choose to allow for choosing lines to quote before firing up an external editor like nano. ;)
not sure. it's hard to look into such things. you need to know someone
with a kid in the schools so you can find out.
i think the nicer religious private schools have more to offer.
there's not enough time in the classes to teach a kid how to program or anything in depth. i think it's all fundamentals, just to get their
feet wet.
I know my highschool was letting us take courses at a tech college for electrical/auto mechanic or whatever. The school even covered the
tools. i'm not sure if that program is still there. i took history
courses and graduated almost 2 years early that way.
We need to do what china does and get kids into trades and current tech jobs.
It isn't a nano issue. There is something "funny" that goes on when
trying to pick lines to quote in synchronet, before you ever get to the editor, when trying to quote messages with "run-on lines."
I did some testing. If you have the internal editor picked, the
synchronet lines-to-quote chooser seems to wrap the lines and give
"correct" lines numbers, i.e. if you pick to quote lines 5-10, you will
get 5-10.
If you have an external picked, and are set up to allow you to choose
the lines to quote before the editor is invoked, the synchronet lines-to-quote chooser does not wrap the lines properly and, if the
message is very long at all, the numbers you are shown on the screen do
not actually correspond to the line numbers. So, choosing what looks
like 5-10 will not quote the lines you think it will... in the case of
your message, my choice of lines to quote left me with a couple of
mostly blank ones.
So probably not an issue that is affecting the newbs, and probably
doesn't affect many others. Just the few that might choose to allow
for choosing lines to quote before firing up an external editor like
nano.
;)
Configuring that external editor (in SCFG) with "Word-wrap Quoted Text"
set to "Yes, for terminal width" might fix that issue.
I don't know. My kids (and some other districts close by) have 85-90 minute classes, with only 4 classes a day (minus "homeroom" or "resource", and there are "A" and "B" days where your classes change depending on the day). The teacher teaches for probably half the class, then there's time to get your assignment(s) done, ask questions if you have them, etc. My high school transitioned into that my last year there, so around here they've been doing that for at least a couple decades already. The kids rarely ever come home with homework.
I don't know. My kids (and some other districts close by) have 85-90
minute classes, with only 4 classes a day (minus "homeroom"
or "resource", and there are "A" and "B" days where your classes
change depending on the day). The teacher teaches for probably
half the class, then there's time to get your assignment(s)
done, ask questions if you have them, etc. My high school
transitioned into that my last year there, so around here they've
been doing that for at least a couple decades already. The kids
We need to do what china does and get kids into trades and current
tech jobs.
I agree 100%. The trades are severely lacking in numbers, which
usually leads to what there is of tradesmen to have to work stupid
amounts of overtime to meet the general contractors schedules.
It sucks.
Configuring that external editor (in SCFG) with "Word-wrap Quoted Text" set to "Yes, for terminal width" might fix that issue.
If you have an external picked, and are set up to allow you to choose the lines to quote before the editor is invoked, the synchronet lines-to-quote chooser does not wrap the lines properly and, if the message is very long at all, the numbers you are shown on the screen do not actually correspond to the line numbers. So, choosing what looks like 5-10 will not quote the lines you think it will... in the case of your message, my choice of lines to quote left me with a couple of mostly blank ones.
The message editor has a lot to do with quoting, so it's not just Synchronet. If the mesasge editor is written specifically for
Synchronet (such as one of the JavaScript message editors), they can format the quote lines, keeping in mind how the quote lines are
provided by Synchronet. But if the editor isn't aware of Synchronet
(such as Nano or something else), then perhaps the quote lines are in a format that the editor isn't expecting.
If you have an external picked, and are set up to allow you to choose the
lines to quote before the editor is invoked, the synchronet
lines-to-quote chooser does not wrap the lines properly and, if the
message is very long at all, the numbers you are shown on the screen do
not actually correspond to the line numbers. So, choosing what looks
like 5-10 will not quote the lines you think it will... in the case of
your message, my choice of lines to quote left me with a couple of mostly
blank ones.
The message editor has a lot to do with quoting, so it's not just
Synchronet. If the mesasge editor is written specifically for Synchronet
(such as one of the JavaScript message editors), they can format the
quote lines, keeping in mind how the quote lines are provided by
Synchronet. But if the editor isn't aware of Synchronet (such as Nano or
something else), then perhaps the quote lines are in a format that the
editor isn't expecting.
You obviously didn't read the whole message, so I requoted the pertinent parts. The lack of line wrap and the line numbers not matching all happens in *synchronet*, *before the editor is invoked.*
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