• Good Older Fantasy & Sci-Fi Recommendations?

    From Foriest Jan Smith@VERT/NGMBBS to All on Thu May 8 02:14:37 2025
    I've been getting into lots of older sci-fi stuff as of late (the old X Minus One serials, Jules Verne, some older sci-fi anthologies I own from the 70s and 80s (Machines That Think, edited by Isaac Asimov is what got me into sci-fi!), but I'm itching for more good stuff. I do have an older copy of the Foundation Trilogy I've been meaning to try but I'm wondering if there's any other good sci-fi of the 50s-60s I should keep an eye out for (I have half a mind to look for more sci-fi pulp magazines, lol).

    On the same note, I've completely neglected Fantasy. I have yet to find ANY fantasy novels I like. A penpal sent me some ebooks of authors like Anne McCaffery, Brandon Sanderson, E.E. Knight, etc. I had already had some interest--having read some older short stories by Robert E. Howard (I'd love some recommendationso f those if you have any). But I'm mainly interested getting my hands on anything decent fantasy wise that isn't anime or Skyrim, lol.

    If anyone has any recommendations of either, I'm dying to know!

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to Foriest Jan Smith on Thu May 8 08:40:37 2025
    Foriest Jan Smith wrote to All <=-

    I've been getting into lots of older sci-fi stuff as of late (the old X Minus One serials, Jules Verne, some older sci-fi anthologies I own
    from the 70s and 80s (Machines That Think, edited by Isaac Asimov is
    what got me into sci-fi!), but I'm itching for more good stuff. I do
    have an older copy of the Foundation Trilogy I've been meaning to try
    but I'm wondering if there's any other good sci-fi of the 50s-60s I should keep an eye out for (I have half a mind to look for more sci-fi pulp magazines, lol).

    I have always considered the Foundation Trilogy to be the "gold
    standard" of science fiction. Doesn't get any better. Read that first.
    Be advised that there are 3-4 "sequel" books to that trilogy, that are
    pretty much garbage. Stick with the original three.

    On the same note, I've completely neglected Fantasy. I have yet to find ANY fantasy novels I like. A penpal sent me some ebooks of authors like Anne McCaffery, Brandon Sanderson, E.E. Knight, etc. I had already had some interest--having read some older short stories by Robert E. Howard (I'd love some recommendationso f those if you have any). But I'm
    mainly interested getting my hands on anything decent fantasy wise that isn't anime or Skyrim, lol.

    If anyone has any recommendations of either, I'm dying to know!

    Well, again the "gold standard" (IMHO) of this genre is The Lord of the
    Rings. Three books, doesn't get any better. Oh - there is a "prequel"
    to these three called "The Hobbit", which should DEFINITELY be read
    first.

    That should keep you busy for a little while. ;-)



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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Foriest Jan Smith on Thu May 8 20:26:00 2025
    Foriest Jan Smith wrote to All <=-

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    I've been getting into lots of older sci-fi stuff as of late (the old X Minus One serials, Jules Verne, some older sci-fi anthologies I own
    from the 70s and 80s (Machines That Think, edited by Isaac Asimov is
    what got me into sci-fi!), but I'm itching for more good stuff. I do
    have an older copy of the Foundation Trilogy I've been meaning to try
    but I'm wondering if there's any other good sci-fi of the 50s-60s I should keep an eye out for (I have half a mind to look for more sci-fi pulp magazines, lol).

    On the same note, I've completely neglected Fantasy. I have yet to find ANY fantasy novels I like. A penpal sent me some ebooks of authors like Anne McCaffery, Brandon Sanderson, E.E. Knight, etc. I had already had some interest--having read some older short stories by Robert E. Howard (I'd love some recommendationso f those if you have any). But I'm
    mainly interested getting my hands on anything decent fantasy wise that isn't anime or Skyrim, lol.

    If anyone has any recommendations of either, I'm dying to know!

    Have you read much Arthur C Clarke? He probably is my favourite Sci
    Fi Author. I'm sure you've also read Dune?

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Gamgee on Thu May 8 09:04:12 2025
    Re: Re: Good Older Fantasy & Sci-Fi Recommendations?
    By: Gamgee to Foriest Jan Smith on Thu May 08 2025 08:40 am

    Well, again the "gold standard" (IMHO) of this genre is The Lord of the Rings. Three books, doesn't get any better. Oh - there is a "prequel" to these three called "The Hobbit", which should DEFINITELY be read first.

    When I was a kid, I'd heard of The Hobbit, but I'd never heard of Lord of the Rings until the movies came out.. I tried to watch them but found myself a bit bored with them. The genre isn't really my thing.

    Nightfox

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to Nightfox on Thu May 8 14:39:46 2025
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    Re: Re: Good Older Fantasy & Sci-Fi Recommendations?
    By: Gamgee to Foriest Jan Smith on Thu May 08 2025 08:40 am

    Well, again the "gold standard" (IMHO) of this genre is The Lord of the Rings. Three books, doesn't get any better. Oh - there is a "prequel" to these three called "The Hobbit", which should DEFINITELY be read first.

    When I was a kid, I'd heard of The Hobbit, but I'd never heard of Lord
    of the Rings until the movies came out.. I tried to watch them but
    found myself a bit bored with them. The genre isn't really my thing.

    I think the movies would be better for you if you had read the books
    first. This is true for many movies, of course, but maybe especially
    for this collection due to the large number of places and characters.
    It helps to know something of the story before trying to understand the movies, which leave out a lot of details.

    But I also understand that this genre isn't for everybody.



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  • From Foriest Jan Smith@VERT/NGMBBS to Gamgee on Fri May 9 03:28:10 2025
    Re: Re: Good Older Fantasy & Sci-Fi Recommendations?
    By: Gamgee to Foriest Jan Smith on Thu May 08 2025 08:40:37

    I have always considered the Foundation Trilogy to be the "gold
    standard" of science fiction. Doesn't get any better. Read that first.
    Be advised that there are 3-4 "sequel" books to that trilogy, that are pretty much garbage. Stick with the original three.

    Oh, ok. I have a copy from the 50s/60s which has those first three books, I think. "Foundation, Foundation & Empire, & Second Foundation" or all it lists.

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  • From Foriest Jan Smith@VERT/NGMBBS to Boraxman on Fri May 9 03:29:49 2025
    Re: Good Older Fantasy & Sci-
    By: Boraxman to Foriest Jan Smith on Thu May 08 2025 20:26:00

    Have you read much Arthur C Clarke? He probably is my favourite Sci
    Fi Author. I'm sure you've also read Dune?

    No, but I believe I've either read a few of his short stories or heard them on X Minus One. I've very much so been meaning to read Dune (after I eventually start on the Metro series!).

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  • From Foriest Jan Smith@VERT/NGMBBS to Gamgee on Fri May 9 03:31:14 2025
    Re: Re: Good Older Fantasy & Sci-Fi Recommendations?
    By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Thu May 08 2025 14:39:46

    I think the movies would be better for you if you had read the books
    first. This is true for many movies, of course, but maybe especially
    for this collection due to the large number of places and characters.
    It helps to know something of the story before trying to understand the movies, which leave out a lot of details.

    If it means anything, I read The Hobbit in high school, and played a demo of one of the LEGO Lord of The Rings games :P (I'm joking, the latter doesn't count)

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Gamgee on Fri May 9 08:26:00 2025
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    Foriest Jan Smith wrote to All <=-

    I've been getting into lots of older sci-fi stuff as of late (the old X Minus One serials, Jules Verne, some older sci-fi anthologies I own
    from the 70s and 80s (Machines That Think, edited by Isaac Asimov is
    what got me into sci-fi!), but I'm itching for more good stuff. I do
    have an older copy of the Foundation Trilogy I've been meaning to try
    but I'm wondering if there's any other good sci-fi of the 50s-60s I should keep an eye out for (I have half a mind to look for more sci-fi pulp magazines, lol).

    I have always considered the Foundation Trilogy to be the "gold
    standard" of science fiction. Doesn't get any better. Read that
    first. Be advised that there are 3-4 "sequel" books to that trilogy,
    that are pretty much garbage. Stick with the original three.

    I only know of two sequel books, and a prequel or two. I've read two of the sequels, Foundations Edge and Foundation and Earth. There is a distinctly different tone and atmosphere, and both follow a different story arc, with the second continuing from the first. I think pretty much every other Asimov book or story I've read, I rate higher than these two. I have one of the prequels which I found at a second hand bookstore and got out of curiosity, but my expectations are low.


    On the same note, I've completely neglected Fantasy. I have yet to find ANY fantasy novels I like. A penpal sent me some ebooks of authors like Anne McCaffery, Brandon Sanderson, E.E. Knight, etc. I had already had some interest--having read some older short stories by Robert E. Howard (I'd love some recommendationso f those if you have any). But I'm
    mainly interested getting my hands on anything decent fantasy wise that isn't anime or Skyrim, lol.

    If anyone has any recommendations of either, I'm dying to know!

    Well, again the "gold standard" (IMHO) of this genre is The Lord of the Rings. Three books, doesn't get any better. Oh - there is a "prequel"
    to these three called "The Hobbit", which should DEFINITELY be read
    first.

    That should keep you busy for a little while. ;-)

    My uncle lent me Lord of the Rings when I was 9 or so. He was quite the Tolkein
    fan, but as far as I know, not into fantasy, just Tolkein. I had already read the Hobbit by then, and quite enjoyed it, but the size of Lord of the Rings was daunting and the pace slower. It sat on the back burner and I didn't read it until much later in life. It IS the gold standard of fantasy, and set the template for many other fantasy works later. Tolkein was to fantasy what iD Software was to First Person Shooters, but to be honest, that may be UNDER stating it.




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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Foriest Jan Smith on Thu May 8 20:44:00 2025
    Hello Foriest Jan Smith!

    ** On Thursday 08.05.25 - 02:14, Foriest Jan Smith wrote to All:

    I've been getting into lots of older sci-fi stuff as of late (the old X Minus One serials, Jules Verne, some older sci-fi anthologies I own from the 70s and 80s (Machines That Think, edited by Isaac Asimov is what got me into sci-fi!), but I'm itching for more good stuff...

    Dune [trilogy], by Herbert. The later stories are ok, but the
    meat of the adventure is in the 1st three.

    Brave New World, by Huxley.

    Ringworld, by Niven.


    On the same note, I've completely neglected Fantasy. I have yet to find ANY fantasy novels I like....

    First Law Trilogy, by Joe Abercrombie

    Kingkiller Chronicles (two books), by Patrick Rothfuss. The events in each book spans one day.

    The Gentleman Bastard series, by Scott Lynch. 1 = The Lies of
    Locke Lamora, 2 = Red Seas Under Red Skies, 3 = The Republic
    of Thieves



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  • From Cougar428@VERT/CJSPLACE to BORAXMAN on Fri May 9 09:23:16 2025
    Quoting Boraxman to Foriest Jan Smith <=-

    If anyone has any recommendations of either, I'm dying to know!

    Have you read much Arthur C Clarke? He probably is my favourite Sci
    Fi Author. I'm sure you've also read Dune?

    One of my favorites from Clarke is Rendezvous with Rama and it's
    sequels. Fascinating writing! Suspenseful SciFi (JMO).

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  • From Cougar428@VERT/CJSPLACE to NIGHTFOX on Fri May 9 09:23:16 2025
    Quoting Nightfox to Gamgee <=-

    Re: Re: Good Older Fantasy & Sci-Fi Recommendations?
    Well, again the "gold standard" (IMHO) of this genre is The Lord of the Rings. Three books, doesn't get any better. Oh - there is a "prequel" to these three called "The Hobbit", which should DEFINITELY be read first.

    When I was a kid, I'd heard of The Hobbit, but I'd never heard of Lord
    of the Rings until the movies came out.. I tried to watch them but
    found myself a bit bored with them. The genre isn't really my thing. Nightfox

    I read the hobbit during my high school years and was fascinated by it.
    I did eventually read the whole series and was never dissapointed. The
    movies leave quite a lot out of the story, but there's no way movies
    can replace your imagination while reading a book. This is not a
    detriment to the craft, just a case of comparing your mind's eye to a
    movie directors vision. As you mentioned you may have gotten bored with
    them, they didn't include what makes them fascinating to readers.

    Movies last for a an hour or two, the books took me (as a teenager)
    many days to read and enjoy.

    Cougar

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  • From Cougar428@VERT/CJSPLACE to BORAXMAN on Fri May 9 09:23:16 2025
    Quoting Boraxman to Gamgee <=-

    Well, again the "gold standard" (IMHO) of this genre is The Lord of the Rings. Three books, doesn't get any better. Oh - there is a "prequel"
    to these three called "The Hobbit", which should DEFINITELY be read
    first.

    That should keep you busy for a little while. ;-)

    My uncle lent me Lord of the Rings when I was 9 or so. He was quite
    the Tolkein
    fan, but as far as I know, not into fantasy, just Tolkein. I had
    already read the Hobbit by then, and quite enjoyed it, but the size of Lord of the Rings was daunting and the pace slower. It sat on the back burner and I didn't read it until much later in life. It IS the gold standard of fantasy, and set the template for many other fantasy works later. Tolkein was to fantasy what iD Software was to First Person Shooters, but to be honest, that may be UNDER stating it.

    Long live iD! I loved most all of their games, everything they did was
    gold for me. Simple enjoyment...

    Cougar

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to Foriest Jan Smith on Fri May 9 07:59:33 2025
    Foriest Jan Smith wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Re: Re: Good Older Fantasy & Sci-Fi Recommendations?
    By: Gamgee to Foriest Jan Smith on Thu May 08 2025 08:40:37

    I have always considered the Foundation Trilogy to be the "gold
    standard" of science fiction. Doesn't get any better. Read that first.
    Be advised that there are 3-4 "sequel" books to that trilogy, that are pretty much garbage. Stick with the original three.

    Oh, ok. I have a copy from the 50s/60s which has those first three
    books, I think. "Foundation, Foundation & Empire, & Second Foundation"
    or all it lists.

    Yep, that's the original trilogy. Great stuff.



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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to Foriest Jan Smith on Fri May 9 07:59:33 2025
    Foriest Jan Smith wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Re: Re: Good Older Fantasy & Sci-Fi Recommendations?
    By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Thu May 08 2025 14:39:46

    I think the movies would be better for you if you had read the books
    first. This is true for many movies, of course, but maybe especially
    for this collection due to the large number of places and characters.
    It helps to know something of the story before trying to understand the movies, which leave out a lot of details.

    If it means anything, I read The Hobbit in high school, and played a
    demo of one of the LEGO Lord of The Rings games :P (I'm joking, the latter doesn't count)

    Haha, yep OK. Assuming high school was a while ago, probably good to
    read The Hobbit again before starting the Lord of the Rings trilogy.



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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to Boraxman on Fri May 9 07:59:33 2025
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    Gamgee wrote to Foriest Jan Smith <=-

    I've been getting into lots of older sci-fi stuff as of late (the old X Minus One serials, Jules Verne, some older sci-fi anthologies I own
    from the 70s and 80s (Machines That Think, edited by Isaac Asimov is
    what got me into sci-fi!), but I'm itching for more good stuff. I do
    have an older copy of the Foundation Trilogy I've been meaning to try
    but I'm wondering if there's any other good sci-fi of the 50s-60s I should keep an eye out for (I have half a mind to look for more sci-fi pulp magazines, lol).

    I have always considered the Foundation Trilogy to be the "gold
    standard" of science fiction. Doesn't get any better. Read that
    first. Be advised that there are 3-4 "sequel" books to that trilogy,
    that are pretty much garbage. Stick with the original three.

    I only know of two sequel books, and a prequel or two. I've read two
    of the sequels, Foundations Edge and Foundation and Earth. There is a distinctly different tone and atmosphere, and both follow a different story arc, with the second continuing from the first. I think pretty
    much every other Asimov book or story I've read, I rate higher than
    these two. I have one of the prequels which I found at a second hand bookstore and got out of curiosity, but my expectations are low.

    Yes, that is correct now that I think about it. I grouped the
    additional books all as "sequels", but you're right - some were
    "prequels". All of them were disappointing, at least to me.

    On the same note, I've completely neglected Fantasy. I have yet to find ANY fantasy novels I like. A penpal sent me some ebooks of authors like Anne McCaffery, Brandon Sanderson, E.E. Knight, etc. I had already had some interest--having read some older short stories by Robert E. Howard (I'd love some recommendationso f those if you have any). But I'm
    mainly interested getting my hands on anything decent fantasy wise that isn't anime or Skyrim, lol.

    If anyone has any recommendations of either, I'm dying to know!

    Well, again the "gold standard" (IMHO) of this genre is The Lord of the Rings. Three books, doesn't get any better. Oh - there is a "prequel"
    to these three called "The Hobbit", which should DEFINITELY be read
    first.

    That should keep you busy for a little while. ;-)

    My uncle lent me Lord of the Rings when I was 9 or so. He was quite
    the Tolkein
    fan, but as far as I know, not into fantasy, just Tolkein. I had
    already read the Hobbit by then, and quite enjoyed it, but the size of Lord of the Rings was daunting and the pace slower. It sat on the back burner and I didn't read it until much later in life.

    You're not the only person who has done those books in that way. ;-)

    It IS the gold
    standard of fantasy, and set the template for many other fantasy works later. Tolkein was to fantasy what iD Software was to First Person Shooters, but to be honest, that may be UNDER stating it.

    As a former ID Software addict, I am 100% in agreement; and great
    analogy! ;-)



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  • From Jimmy Anderson@VERT/PALANTIR to Foriest Jan Smith on Fri May 9 08:48:18 2025
    Foriest Jan Smith wrote to All <=-

    I've been getting into lots of older sci-fi stuff as of late (the old X

    One of my favorites is Thrice Upon a Time by James P. Hogan.


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  • From Jimmy Anderson@VERT/PALANTIR to Nightfox on Fri May 9 08:48:18 2025
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    Re: Re: Good Older Fantasy & Sci-Fi Recommendations?
    By: Gamgee to Foriest Jan Smith on Thu May 08 2025 08:40 am

    When I was a kid, I'd heard of The Hobbit, but I'd never heard of Lord
    of the Rings until the movies came out.. I tried to watch them but
    found myself a bit bored with them. The genre isn't really my thing.

    I tried to read them when I was a teen ager. My friends were reading
    them and I tried, but couldn't get into them. I was busy reading
    sci-fi and mainly time travel.

    A few years ago I watched the movies though - WOW!!!


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  • From Jimmy Anderson@VERT/PALANTIR to Gamgee on Fri May 9 08:48:18 2025
    Gamgee wrote to Nightfox <=-

    I think the movies would be better for you if you had read the books first. This is true for many movies, of course, but maybe especially
    for this collection due to the large number of places and characters.
    It helps to know something of the story before trying to understand the movies, which leave out a lot of details.

    I haven't read the books, and LOVE the movies!


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Foriest Jan Smith on Fri May 9 06:49:27 2025
    Foriest Jan Smith wrote to Boraxman <=-

    Re: Good Older Fantasy & Sci-
    By: Boraxman to Foriest Jan Smith on Thu May 08 2025 20:26:00

    Have you read much Arthur C Clarke? He probably is my favourite Sci
    Fi Author. I'm sure you've also read Dune?

    No, but I believe I've either read a few of his short stories or heard them on X Minus One. I've very much so been meaning to read Dune (after
    I eventually start on the Metro series!).

    Old Heinlein is good, he's definitely got some odd personal perspectives
    that he extrapolates into the future. Starship Troopers was a wonderful military science fiction story.

    Frederick Pohl wrote a series around a future where mankind finds an
    alien space station with lots of docked shuttles. People take the
    shuttles out and either die horrible deaths or become wealthy if they
    bring back scientific finds. Did I mention that they don't know how to
    operate the shuttles and are making instructions up as they go along?

    The second and third books delve into who made the shuttles and why they
    went into hiding.

    There's a series of books called the Science Fiction Hall of Fame

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Science_Fiction_Hall_of_Fame,_Volume_One,_1929%E2%80%931964

    has a great selection of short stories from SF authors from 1929 to
    1964. There's a followup with novellas as well.


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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Foriest Jan Smith on Fri May 9 23:16:00 2025
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    Re: Good Older Fantasy & Sci-
    By: Boraxman to Foriest Jan Smith
    on Thu May 08 2025 20:26:00

    Have you read much Arthur C Clarke? He probably is my favourite Sci
    Fi Author. I'm sure you've also read Dune?

    No, but I believe I've either read a few of his short stories or heard them on X Minus One. I've very much so been meaning to read Dune (after
    I eventually start on the Metro series!).

    I read the book AFTER watching the 1984 movie, though admittedly I was
    still under 10 when I did watch the movie on TV.

    I would recommend not watching any further Dune movies until you go
    through the book.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Ogg on Fri May 9 23:23:00 2025
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    Hello Foriest Jan Smith!

    ** On Thursday 08.05.25 - 02:14, Foriest Jan Smith wrote to All:

    I've been getting into lots of older sci-fi stuff as of late (the old X Minus One serials, Jules Verne, some older sci-fi anthologies I own from the 70s and 80s (Machines That Think, edited by Isaac Asimov is what got me into sci-fi!), but I'm itching for more good stuff...

    Dune [trilogy], by Herbert. The later stories are ok, but the
    meat of the adventure is in the 1st three.

    Brave New World, by Huxley.

    Ringworld, by Niven.

    *snip*

    Did you read any or the Ringworld sequels? I read the next one in the
    series, Ringworld Engineers. After that, not sure if its worthwhile
    to continue on.

    A great book, by Niven and Pournelle is "The Mote in God's Eye". This
    was quite thought provoking and raised questions about how our
    behaviour, our instincts doom us, make us resigned to a paricular
    fate.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Foriest Jan Smith on Fri May 9 23:26:00 2025
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    Re: Good Older Fantasy & Sci-
    By: Boraxman to Foriest Jan Smith
    on Thu May 08 2025 20:26:00

    Have you read much Arthur C Clarke? He probably is my favourite Sci
    Fi Author. I'm sure you've also read Dune?

    No, but I believe I've either read a few of his short stories or heard them on X Minus One. I've very much so been meaning to read Dune (after
    I eventually start on the Metro series!).

    Some of his longer works are based on short stories.

    I think Rendezvouz with Rama is a classic, as is Childhoods End. If
    you're only going to read one or two, these probably should be it.

    The "Oddysey" series were my introduction to Clarke.

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  • From Jimmy Anderson@VERT/PALANTIR to Boraxman on Fri May 9 10:22:42 2025
    Boraxman wrote to Gamgee <=-

    My uncle lent me Lord of the Rings when I was 9 or so. He was quite
    the Tolkein
    fan, but as far as I know, not into fantasy, just Tolkein. I had
    already read the Hobbit by then, and quite enjoyed it, but the size of Lord of the Rings was daunting and the pace slower. It sat on the back burner and I didn't read it until much later in life. It IS the gold standard of fantasy, and set the template for many other fantasy works later. Tolkein was to fantasy what iD Software was to First Person Shooters, but to be honest, that may be UNDER stating it.

    I know the 'races' from D&D were pulled basically from Tolkein, so he influenced the early RPG scene too!



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  • From Jimmy Anderson@VERT/PALANTIR to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri May 9 10:29:27 2025
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    There's a series of books called the Science Fiction Hall of Fame

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Science_Fiction_Hall_of_Fame,_Volume_O ne,_1929%E2%80%931964

    has a great selection of short stories from SF authors from 1929 to
    1964. There's a followup with novellas as well.

    I have read those! And I used to get 'the year's greatest science fiction'
    or whatever the actual name way. Once I got too old, it stopped being
    original enough for me. :-)



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ogg on Fri May 9 11:16:14 2025
    Re: Good Older Fantasy & Sci-Fi Recommendations?
    By: Ogg to Foriest Jan Smith on Thu May 08 2025 08:44 pm


    Dune [trilogy], by Herbert. The later stories are ok, but the
    meat of the adventure is in the 1st three.


    dune tattoo here on my bicep. anyways, those books get really really
    weird and convoluted.

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  • From Bogomips@VERT to Cougar428 on Fri May 9 10:56:29 2025
    Re: Good Older Fantasy & Sci-
    By: Cougar428 to BORAXMAN on Fri May 09 2025 09:23 am

    ... Back in my day, 56k was high speed!

    Back in my day, we walked to school uphill, both ways, in the snow, barefoot and communicated with two soup cans and a string. Sorry, couldn't help mysself.

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  • From Foriest Jan Smith@VERT/NGMBBS to Gamgee on Fri May 9 16:55:27 2025
    Re: Re: Good Older Fantasy & Sci-Fi Recommendations?
    By: Gamgee to Foriest Jan Smith on Fri May 09 2025 07:59:33

    Haha, yep OK. Assuming high school was a while ago, probably good to
    read The Hobbit again before starting the Lord of the Rings trilogy.

    Not really, lol. Graduated in 2020... Although it does feel like a decade ago at this point!

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Boraxman on Fri May 9 19:56:00 2025
    Hello Boraxman!

    ** On Friday 09.05.25 - 23:23, Boraxman wrote to Ogg:

    Ringworld, by Niven.

    *snip*

    Did you read any or the Ringworld sequels? I read the next
    one in the series, Ringworld Engineers. After that, not
    sure if its worthwhile to continue on.

    I seem to remember starting #2 (Ringworld Engineers) ..but I
    never finished it for some reason.

    And.. I didn't even realized that #3 (Ringworld Throne) even
    existed until now.


    A great book, by Niven and Pournelle is "The Mote in God's
    Eye". This was quite thought provoking and raised
    questions about how our behaviour, our instincts doom us,
    make us resigned to a paricular fate.

    That's another I remember starting. But I don't recall
    finishing it.


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  • From Cougar428@VERT/CJSPLACE to BOGOMIPS on Sat May 10 11:58:22 2025
    Quoting Bogomips to Cougar428 <=-

    Re: Good Older Fantasy & Sci-
    By: Cougar428 to BORAXMAN on Fri May 09 2025 09:23 am

    ... Back in my day, 56k was high speed!

    Back in my day, we walked to school uphill, both ways, in the snow, barefoot and communicated with two soup cans and a string. Sorry,
    couldn't help mysself.

    Well - I guess I had it better, I had snow boots with holes in them so
    I had to wear bread bags on both feet so my feet wouldn't get wet. You
    got me beat!

    B^)

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Cougar428 on Sat May 10 20:34:12 2025
    Re: Good Older Fantasy & Sci-
    By: Cougar428 to BOGOMIPS on Sat May 10 2025 11:58 am

    Well - I guess I had it better, I had snow boots with holes in them so
    I had to wear bread bags on both feet so my feet wouldn't get wet. You
    got me beat!


    i just used plastic shopping bags. kept the feet warm too!

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  • From phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to Bogomips on Sat May 10 18:36:20 2025
    Re: Good Older Fantasy & Sci-
    By: Bogomips to Cougar428 on Fri May 09 2025 10:56 am

    Back in my day, we walked to school uphill, both ways, in the snow, barefoot and communicated with two soup cans and a string. Sorry, couldn't help mysse

    We didn't have these dang fangled "latex condoms". We just strapped a rabbit skin and tied it off with a bungee chord! Sure we couldn't feel the other person or ourselves, but WE LIKED IT!

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  • From Foriest Jan Smith@VERT/NGMBBS to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun May 11 02:08:52 2025
    Re: Re: Good Older Fantasy & Sci-
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Foriest Jan Smith on Fri May 09 2025 06:49:27

    Old Heinlein is good, he's definitely got some odd personal perspectives

    Oh, I love Heinlein! I've read some great ones from him! There's one I read in a compilation ("Machines That Think") called Sam Hall that's my favorite so far.

    Frederick Pohl wrote a series around a future where mankind finds an
    alien space station with lots of docked shuttles. People take the
    shuttles out and either die horrible deaths or become wealthy if they
    bring back scientific finds. Did I mention that they don't know how to operate the shuttles and are making instructions up as they go along?

    Ooooh, sounds interesting! I'll DEFINITELY read it :D

    There's a series of books called the Science Fiction Hall of Fame

    Going right on the list!

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to phigan on Sun May 11 08:21:12 2025
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    Re: Good Older Fantasy & Sci-
    By: Bogomips to Cougar428 on Fri May 09 2025 10:56 am

    Back in my day, we walked to school uphill, both ways, in the snow, barefoot and communicated with two soup cans and a string. Sorry, couldn't help mysse

    We didn't have these dang fangled "latex condoms". We just strapped a rabbit skin and tied it off with a bungee chord! Sure we couldn't feel
    the other person or ourselves, but WE LIKED IT!

    Rabbit skin wasn't big enough here. Generally used a beaver.



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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Cougar428 on Sun May 11 22:20:00 2025
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    Quoting Boraxman to Gamgee <=-

    Well, again the "gold standard" (IMHO) of this genre is The Lord of the Rings. Three books, doesn't get any better. Oh - there is a "prequel"
    to these three called "The Hobbit", which should DEFINITELY be read
    first.

    That should keep you busy for a little while. ;-)

    My uncle lent me Lord of the Rings when I was 9 or so. He was quite
    the Tolkein
    fan, but as far as I know, not into fantasy, just Tolkein. I had
    already read the Hobbit by then, and quite enjoyed it, but the size of Lord of the Rings was daunting and the pace slower. It sat on the back burner and I didn't read it until much later in life. It IS the gold standard of fantasy, and set the template for many other fantasy works later. Tolkein was to fantasy what iD Software was to First Person Shooters, but to be honest, that may be UNDER stating it.

    Long live iD! I loved most all of their games, everything they did was
    gold for me. Simple enjoyment...

    Cougar

    :)

    Some of my favourite games were made by them, Doom and Quake rank in
    #1 and #2 spots. Not sure what order to put them in.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Gamgee on Sun May 11 22:21:00 2025
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    Boraxman wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Gamgee wrote to Foriest Jan Smith <=-

    I've been getting into lots of older sci-fi stuff as of late (the old X Minus One serials, Jules Verne, some older sci-fi anthologies I own
    from the 70s and 80s (Machines That Think, edited by Isaac Asimov is
    what got me into sci-fi!), but I'm itching for more good stuff. I do
    have an older copy of the Foundation Trilogy I've been meaning to try
    but I'm wondering if there's any other good sci-fi of the 50s-60s I should keep an eye out for (I have half a mind to look for more sci-fi pulp magazines, lol).

    I have always considered the Foundation Trilogy to be the "gold
    standard" of science fiction. Doesn't get any better. Read that
    first. Be advised that there are 3-4 "sequel" books to that trilogy,
    that are pretty much garbage. Stick with the original three.

    I only know of two sequel books, and a prequel or two. I've read two
    of the sequels, Foundations Edge and Foundation and Earth. There is a distinctly different tone and atmosphere, and both follow a different story arc, with the second continuing from the first. I think pretty
    much every other Asimov book or story I've read, I rate higher than
    these two. I have one of the prequels which I found at a second hand bookstore and got out of curiosity, but my expectations are low.

    Yes, that is correct now that I think about it. I grouped the
    additional books all as "sequels", but you're right - some were "prequels". All of them were disappointing, at least to me.

    On the same note, I've completely neglected Fantasy. I have yet to find ANY fantasy novels I like. A penpal sent me some ebooks of authors like Anne McCaffery, Brandon Sanderson, E.E. Knight, etc. I had already had some interest--having read some older short stories by Robert E. Howard (I'd love some recommendationso f those if you have any). But I'm
    mainly interested getting my hands on anything decent fantasy wise that isn't anime or Skyrim, lol.

    If anyone has any recommendations of either, I'm dying to know!

    Well, again the "gold standard" (IMHO) of this genre is The Lord of the Rings. Three books, doesn't get any better. Oh - there is a "prequel"
    to these three called "The Hobbit", which should DEFINITELY be read
    first.

    That should keep you busy for a little while. ;-)

    My uncle lent me Lord of the Rings when I was 9 or so. He was quite
    the Tolkein
    fan, but as far as I know, not into fantasy, just Tolkein. I had
    already read the Hobbit by then, and quite enjoyed it, but the size of Lord of the Rings was daunting and the pace slower. It sat on the back burner and I didn't read it until much later in life.

    You're not the only person who has done those books in that way. ;-)

    It IS the gold
    standard of fantasy, and set the template for many other fantasy works later. Tolkein was to fantasy what iD Software was to First Person Shooters, but to be honest, that may be UNDER stating it.

    As a former ID Software addict, I am 100% in agreement; and great
    analogy! ;-)


    How did you get over the addiction? I'm not recovered yet! In fact,
    I'm making levels for Quake right now, hopefully will release a short
    episode this year, inspired by Dante's Inferno.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Jimmy Anderson on Sun May 11 22:24:00 2025
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    Boraxman wrote to Gamgee <=-

    My uncle lent me Lord of the Rings when I was 9 or so. He was quite
    the Tolkein
    fan, but as far as I know, not into fantasy, just Tolkein. I had
    already read the Hobbit by then, and quite enjoyed it, but the size of Lord of the Rings was daunting and the pace slower. It sat on the back burner and I didn't read it until much later in life. It IS the gold standard of fantasy, and set the template for many other fantasy works later. Tolkein was to fantasy what iD Software was to First Person Shooters, but to be honest, that may be UNDER stating it.

    I know the 'races' from D&D were pulled basically from Tolkein, so he influenced the early RPG scene too!

    Yes, a lot was derived from those worked. When I was little, I
    thought Tolken wrote these books in the 1800s, they just seemed to
    have too much of a cultural legacy to have been that "recent".

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to MRO on Sun May 11 22:27:00 2025
    MRO wrote to Ogg <=-

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    Re: Good Older Fantasy & Sci-Fi
    Recommendations?
    By: Ogg to Foriest Jan Smith on
    Thu May 08 2025 08:44 pm


    Dune [trilogy], by Herbert. The later stories are ok, but the
    meat of the adventure is in the 1st three.


    dune tattoo here on my bicep. anyways, those books get really really weird and convoluted.

    What do you have tattooed? Just the word "Dune" or Sting semi-naked
    glistening in steam? Or perhaps the God Emperor in his worm form?


    The last three books do go off on a tangent, but God Emperor is worth
    the diversion. I liked it quite a bit more than Children of Dune.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Bogomips on Sun May 11 22:33:00 2025
    Bogomips wrote to Cougar428 <=-

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    Re: Good Older Fantasy & Sci-
    By: Cougar428 to BORAXMAN on
    Fri May 09 2025 09:23 am

    ... Back in my day, 56k was high speed!

    Back in my day, we walked to school uphill, both ways, in the snow, barefoot and communicated with two soup cans and a string. Sorry,
    couldn't help mysself.

    Those times were rough. Having to connect the 56K modem through the
    two soup cans. I don't know how you got 56K though, I could manage at
    most 2400 baud with the soup cans and string...

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Ogg on Sun May 11 22:34:00 2025
    Ogg wrote to Boraxman <=-

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    Hello Boraxman!

    ** On Friday 09.05.25 - 23:23, Boraxman wrote to Ogg:

    Ringworld, by Niven.

    *snip*

    Did you read any or the Ringworld sequels? I read the next
    one in the series, Ringworld Engineers. After that, not
    sure if its worthwhile to continue on.

    I seem to remember starting #2 (Ringworld Engineers) ..but I
    never finished it for some reason.

    And.. I didn't even realized that #3 (Ringworld Throne) even
    existed until now.


    A great book, by Niven and Pournelle is "The Mote in God's
    Eye". This was quite thought provoking and raised
    questions about how our behaviour, our instincts doom us,
    make us resigned to a paricular fate.

    That's another I remember starting. But I don't recall
    finishing it.

    It starts off slow and uneventful, but really picks up about a third
    of the way through, as if the authors change...

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to phigan on Sun May 11 22:37:00 2025
    phigan wrote to Bogomips <=-

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    Re: Good Older Fantasy & Sci-
    By: Bogomips to Cougar428 on
    Fri May 09 2025 10:56 am

    Back in my day, we walked to school uphill, both ways, in the snow, barefoot and communicated with two soup cans and a string. Sorry, couldn't help mysse

    We didn't have these dang fangled "latex condoms". We just strapped a rabbit skin and tied it off with a bungee chord! Sure we couldn't feel
    the other person or ourselves, but WE LIKED IT!

    I just use a garbage bag. Comes with the tie already on it, and it's
    just the right length.

    Now I know what you're thinking, that gross right? But rest assured,
    I DO empty the garbage from the bag first....

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Boraxman on Sun May 11 09:11:47 2025
    Re: Re: Good Older Fantasy &
    By: Boraxman to Gamgee on Sun May 11 2025 10:21 pm

    As a former ID Software addict, I am 100% in agreement; and great
    analogy! ;-)

    How did you get over the addiction? I'm not recovered yet! In fact, I'm making levels for Quake right now, hopefully will release a short episode this year, inspired by Dante's Inferno.

    That actually sounds like fun. I tried using some level editors in the 90s, and the only one I was atually able to make levels for was Duke Nukem 3D. That had a level editor that was fairly easy to use, I thought.

    Nightfox

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to Boraxman on Sun May 11 14:11:01 2025
    Boraxman wrote to Gamgee <=-

    It IS the gold
    standard of fantasy, and set the template for many other fantasy works later. Tolkein was to fantasy what iD Software was to First Person Shooters, but to be honest, that may be UNDER stating it.

    As a former ID Software addict, I am 100% in agreement; and great
    analogy! ;-)

    How did you get over the addiction? I'm not recovered yet! In fact,
    I'm making levels for Quake right now, hopefully will release a short episode this year, inspired by Dante's Inferno.

    Well... interesting question. I guess because "Life" moved on and other
    games grabbed some attention. Also the transition from DOS to Windows,
    and then to Linux make it less easy to run the old DOS stuff. Also Duke
    Nukem 3D was a MAJOR distraction. There was some software called "Kali"
    that I registered, which allowed online multiplayer "Duking" and that
    took a lot of my time away... ;-) I still fire up Doom/Duke/Quake1/2
    now and then. Absolutely LOVED Quake2 also. Heretic/Hexen had their
    time as well.

    These days I'm not doing much gaming, too many other distractions.
    Likely will after I retire in about 2 years. :-)



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Boraxman on Sun May 11 17:53:07 2025
    Re: Good Older Fantasy & Sci-
    By: Boraxman to MRO on Sun May 11 2025 10:27 pm


    What do you have tattooed? Just the word "Dune" or Sting semi-naked glistening in steam? Or perhaps the God Emperor in his worm form?

    i have a sandworm on my chest and it goes down below the belt like snake's tattoo in escape from new york.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Boraxman on Sun May 11 17:54:07 2025
    Re: Good Older Fantasy & Sci-
    By: Boraxman to Bogomips on Sun May 11 2025 10:33 pm

    Those times were rough. Having to connect the 56K modem through the
    two soup cans. I don't know how you got 56K though, I could manage at
    most 2400 baud with the soup cans and string...

    i had ONE guy that could connect to me at the max speed.
    everyone else connected slower. maybe it was something to do with the phone line route or our modems liked each other.

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  • From Cougar428@VERT/CJSPLACE to PHIGAN on Sun May 11 21:35:56 2025
    Quoting Phigan to Bogomips <=-

    Re: Good Older Fantasy & Sci-
    By: Bogomips to Cougar428 on Fri May 09 2025 10:56 am

    Back in my day, we walked to school uphill, both ways, in the snow, barefoot and communicated with two soup cans and a string. Sorry, couldn't help mysse

    We didn't have these dang fangled "latex condoms". We just strapped a rabbit skin and tied it off with a bungee chord! Sure we couldn't feel
    the other person or ourselves, but WE LIKED IT!

    Phi! Must everything devolve into sexual in-you-endo?

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Nightfox on Mon May 12 18:33:00 2025
    Nightfox wrote to Boraxman <=-

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    Re: Re: Good Older Fantasy &
    By: Boraxman to Gamgee on
    Sun May 11 2025 10:21 pm

    As a former ID Software addict, I am 100% in agreement; and great
    analogy! ;-)

    How did you get over the addiction? I'm not recovered yet! In fact, I'm making levels for Quake right now, hopefully will release a short episode this year, inspired by Dante's Inferno.

    That actually sounds like fun. I tried using some level editors in the 90s, and the only one I was atually able to make levels for was Duke
    Nukem 3D. That had a level editor that was fairly easy to use, I
    thought.

    It is fun. I'm using Trenchbroom, which is a full 3D preview that you can edit the level in. Makes things sooo much easier. It's never been more fun to
    make levels, but it takes longer, as peoples expectations are higher, so more effort is needed to make something stand out.


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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Gamgee on Mon May 12 18:35:00 2025
    Gamgee wrote to Boraxman <=-

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    Boraxman wrote to Gamgee <=-

    It IS the gold
    standard of fantasy, and set the template for many other fantasy works later. Tolkein was to fantasy what iD Software was to First Person Shooters, but to be honest, that may be UNDER stating it.

    As a former ID Software addict, I am 100% in agreement; and great
    analogy! ;-)

    How did you get over the addiction? I'm not recovered yet! In fact,
    I'm making levels for Quake right now, hopefully will release a short episode this year, inspired by Dante's Inferno.

    Well... interesting question. I guess because "Life" moved on and
    other games grabbed some attention. Also the transition from DOS to Windows, and then to Linux make it less easy to run the old DOS stuff. Also Duke Nukem 3D was a MAJOR distraction. There was some software called "Kali" that I registered, which allowed online multiplayer
    "Duking" and that took a lot of my time away... ;-) I still fire up Doom/Duke/Quake1/2 now and then. Absolutely LOVED Quake2 also. Heretic/Hexen had their time as well.

    These days I'm not doing much gaming, too many other distractions.
    Likely will after I retire in about 2 years. :-)

    I don't play games much actually. Testing these level is really the
    only gaming I've done all year, unless you count solitaire or 2048 or
    Wordle. I don't have the inclination to spend my time gaming, but editing
    ives
    me a creative outlet.


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  • From Bogomips@VERT to Boraxman on Mon May 12 10:20:15 2025
    Re: Re: Good Older Fantasy &
    By: Boraxman to Cougar428 on Sun May 11 2025 10:20 pm

    Some of my favourite games were made by them, Doom and Quake rank in

    Quake and R.O.T.T. my 1 & 2

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  • From phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to Boraxman on Mon May 12 18:11:18 2025
    Re: Re: Good Older Fantasy &
    By: Boraxman to Gamgee on Sun May 11 2025 10:21 pm

    I'm making levels for Quake right now, hopefully will release a short episode this year, inspired by Dante's Inferno.

    IIRC, Paulie of 20forBeers runs a monthly Quake match/game/thing. Check out his board. 20forbeers.com:1337

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  • From phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to Boraxman on Mon May 12 18:12:46 2025
    Re: Good Older Fantasy & Sci-
    By: Boraxman to Bogomips on Sun May 11 2025 10:33 pm

    two soup cans. I don't know how you got 56K though, I could manage at
    most 2400 baud with the soup cans and string...

    Yeah, you need a mostly digital path with only the last hop being copper to get 56k.

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