What little I have read of President Donald Trump He isn't interested in being a King.
Ifeel like He wants to be a Dictator .

You should start by getting some help for your TDS.

If you think he's acting like a dictator, you must have missed most of the Biden Regime.

Does He know He was elected to Serve The People of the USA?

This is a question you should be asking the Democrats. They are the ones who have been acting like they are our rulers.

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poindexter FORTRAN wrote to jimmylogan <=-

jimmylogan wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

I think it elections that Donald wants to do away with.

I haven't found proof that he has a plan to eliminate elections
entirely. What is clear: he has stated he wants major changes
to how elections are run (for example, new citizenship proof
requirements, ending mail-in ballots, tighter controls).

The fact that he didn't respect the 2020 election results and incited
an insurrection to overturn the election was our first clue.

You're right that he didn't respect the 2020 results - but that's
not new in politics. We've had candidates dispute outcomes before
(think "hanging chads"), so it's not unique to him.


As for "inciting an insurrection," I'm not personally convinced
he intended for anything violent to happen. I wasn't there,
and none of us really know the mindset of every person who showed
up or what pushed them individually. That part is still debated
and may be for a long time.

Trump telling people before the 2024 election "vote for me and you'll
never have to vote again" was the second clue.

I took that the same way I did when he said it: campaign rhetoric.
Every candidate exaggerates during election season. He doesn't have
the power to end elections any more than any other president would.





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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: jimmylogan to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Nov 20 2025 13:15:41

You're right that he didn't respect the 2020 results - but that's
not new in politics. We've had candidates dispute outcomes before
(think "hanging chads"), so it's not unique to him.

As for "inciting an insurrection," I'm not personally convinced
he intended for anything violent to happen. I wasn't there,
and none of us really know the mindset of every person who showed
up or what pushed them individually. That part is still debated
and may be for a long time.

He respected them as much as HRC did in 2016. While he was *much* more vocal about it, she did just as much to undermine the process by introducing the "collusion" boogey-man into the public mind.

The issue I have with him and 1/6 is real simple. It really doesn't matter what he told the crowd. The fact that he decided to hold a "loser's rally" on the day that the votes were being certified, in the same city, *and* supposedly (by his own admission) asked for more police because he thought it might get
violent, is more than enough for me. The fact that he continues to deny any culpability for what happened is just icing.

If he'd held his rally at Mara Lago and the violence in DC still happened, maybe it isn't his fault. If he'd dome *nothing* on that day, as some of his adivisors were suggesting he should do, maybe it isn't his fault. Holding a rally on the same day, in the same city -- something that even sore losers HRC and Gore didn't do -- makes it something he at the very least shares blame for. ---
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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Dumas Walker to jimmylogan on Fri Nov 21 2025 09:26 am

The issue I have with him and 1/6 is real simple. It really doesn't
matter what he told the crowd.

it absolutely does matter what he told the crowd. and it's important what
he wasn't allowed to do when things got out of hand.

The fact that he decided to hold
a "loser's rally" on the day that the votes were being certified,
in the same city,

why wouldn't he hold it there? that's the best place to have it.

*and* supposedly (by his own admission) asked
for more police because he thought it might get violent, is more
than enough for me. The fact that he continues to deny any
culpability for what happened is just icing.

i guess you forgot about everything that was happening. people liked to
riot. antifa members were all over. one guy got 70k for a video he shot and
he was a big antifa guy. pretending to be a maga. they say there's no proof but there's video and photo proof. also fbi agents were in the crowd causing problems. trump's speeches were edited by the media.

democrats were playing dirty.

if trump wanted a insurrection he could have done it and done it well.
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Dumas Walker wrote to jimmylogan <=-

He respected them as much as HRC did in 2016. While he was *much* more vocal about it, she did just as much to undermine the process by introducing the "collusion" boogey-man into the public mind.

Yeah - glad we agree it's not just a "Trump thing." :-)

The issue I have with him and 1/6 is real simple. It really doesn't matter what he told the crowd. The fact that he decided to hold a "loser's rally" on the day that the votes were being certified, in the same city, *and* supposedly (by his own admission) asked for more
police because he thought it might get violent, is more than enough for me. The fact that he continues to deny any culpability for what
happened is just icing.

On the 1/6 point, I get what you're saying. I've never been, but I'd
think there's enough room in D.C. for different groups to hold rallies
at the same time. It might not have been the smartest move, but I don't
think that alone makes him automatically guilty. People still have to
be responsible for their own actions.

And who knows - maybe he really did think the Dems would bail out anyone arrested, like other cities. LOL

If he'd held his rally at Mara Lago and the violence in DC still
happened, maybe it isn't his fault. If he'd dome *nothing* on that
day, as some of his adivisors were suggesting he should do, maybe it
isn't his fault. Holding a rally on the same day, in the same city -- something that even sore losers HRC and Gore didn't do -- makes it something he at the very least shares blame for. ---

As for the timing and location: fair point. If he'd stayed at Mar-a-Lago
or done nothing that day, his level of blame would look different.
Holding a rally in the same city on the same day certainly looks bad,
and I can see why folks think he shares some blame for the
environment it created.

I can only say that I wouldn't have done it. I've avoided cities
where protests were planned - that['s just not something I want
to be around. :-)




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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: jimmylogan to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Nov 20 2025 01:15 pm

You're right that he didn't respect the 2020 results - but that's
not new in politics. We've had candidates dispute outcomes before
(think "hanging chads"), so it's not unique to him.

As for "inciting an insurrection," I'm not personally convinced
he intended for anything violent to happen. I wasn't there,
and none of us really know the mindset of every person who showed
up or what pushed them individually. That part is still debated
and may be for a long time.

2020 is a weird case because the left spent all year burning down the streets, politicians were exercising open insubordination towards the Federal government, and when a small bunch of dudes assaulted the Capitol everybody was freaking about them because "domestic terrorists" and "OMG insurrection".

I mean, by that point you don't get to complain about insurrection because you are as much of an insurrector. Probably bigger.


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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Arelor to jimmylogan on Wed Nov 26 2025 06:09 am

2020 is a weird case because the left spent all year burning down
the streets, politicians were exercising open insubordination
towards the Federal government, and when a small bunch of dudes
assaulted the Capitol everybody was freaking about them because
"domestic terrorists" and "OMG insurrection".

I mean, by that point you don't get to complain about insurrection
because you are as much of an insurrector. Probably bigger.

also at our jan 6th thing there was a lot of trouble makers that were batting for the other team and also fbi agents. i've seen some weird videos where i think it's either antifa or a gov agent trying to make people break laws or go further with what they were doing.
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jimmylogan wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

On the 1/6 point, I get what you're saying. I've never been, but I'd
think there's enough room in D.C. for different groups to hold rallies
at the same time. It might not have been the smartest move, but I don't think that alone makes him automatically guilty. People still have to
be responsible for their own actions.

On 1/6, Trump said, "I think right here, we're
going to walk down to the Capitol, and we're going to cheer on our
brave senators and congressmen and women, and we're probably not going
to be cheering so much for some of them."

Before that, he'd said "We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like
hell, you're not going to have a country anymore," he said.


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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: poindexter FORTRAN to jimmylogan on Wed Nov 26 2025 07:16 am

to the Capitol, and we're going to cheer on our brave senators
and congressmen and women, and we're probably not going to be
cheering so much for some of them."

Before that, he'd said "We fight like hell. And if you don't fight
like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore," he said.

so what?
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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: jimmylogan to Dumas Walker on Tue Nov 25 2025 20:37:23

I can only say that I wouldn't have done it. I've avoided cities
where protests were planned - that['s just not something I want
to be around. :-)

Indeed! I would also try avoiding them.
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poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

These are strange times. Barack Obama averaged 35 orders per year
during his terms. Donald Trump 45, 55 per year - mostly overturning egislation
that Obama passed.

You're ignorance is showing. You must have failed the Civics class in high school.

All Trump can do is sign an Executive Order. An EO only has the power to direct a gov't agency to do something. Those gov't agencies are officially under the Executive Branch - so he **is** the boss.

An EO cannot "overturn legislation". Ex: Trump can't eliminate the useless Dept. of Education since Congress created it. But since the Dept. of Education is a gov't agency, he does have the power to defund it and get rid of people with in it.

Trump's attempts to circumvent laws passed under Obama. On Trump's
second term, Trump has signed 217 orders, with an obedient majority in
the house and senate.

It takes a lot of work to undo the total mess that the Elitists have created over the last few decades.

And if he had an "obedient majority" why was the gov't shut down for over a month?


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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Dr. What to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Nov 28 2025 09:57 am

to defund it and get rid of people with in it.

Trump's attempts to circumvent laws passed under Obama. On Trump's second term, Trump has signed 217 orders, with an obedient majority
in the house and senate.

It takes a lot of work to undo the total mess that the Elitists
have created over the last few decades.

And if he had an "obedient majority" why was the gov't shut down for
over a month?

one thing i noticed about piondexter is he totally stopped talking about
biden because there's no defending that situation. but he will still take shots at trump and parrot cnn headlines. i won't ever vote democrat again because there's braindead people like this in their ranks.
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Yeah, IMHO, the executive order is not inherently a bad thing if it is used correctly. It should be used as a stop-gap measure, until
Congress can pass a law, or in emergencies only. With recent Presidents, it is becoming more a way to create "law" without going through the proper channels, and hoping that Congress and the courts don't question it.

These are strange times. Barack Obama averaged 35 orders per year
during his terms. Donald Trump 45, 55 per year - mostly overturning egislation
that Obama passed. Biden averaged 41 per year , again, undoing some of
Trump's attempts to circumvent laws passed under Obama. On Trump's
second term, Trump has signed 217 orders, with an obedient majority in
the house and senate.

Strange indeed. Keeping in mind that the other three cite per year
averages, it will be interesting to see what Trump-2's average is at the
end of 4 years vs. just the first one... it will be *at least* 54.25/year, which is higher than Obama or Biden's average, so not good.

Having a mostly-obedient majority is a way to make sure that at least
Congress is less likely to question any particular order.


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Arelor wrote to jimmylogan <=-

Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: jimmylogan to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Nov 20 2025 01:15 pm

You're right that he didn't respect the 2020 results - but that's
not new in politics. We've had candidates dispute outcomes before
(think "hanging chads"), so it's not unique to him.

As for "inciting an insurrection," I'm not personally convinced
he intended for anything violent to happen. I wasn't there,
and none of us really know the mindset of every person who showed
up or what pushed them individually. That part is still debated
and may be for a long time.

2020 is a weird case because the left spent all year burning down the streets, politicians were exercising open insubordination towards the Federal government, and when a small bunch of dudes assaulted the
Capitol everybody was freaking about them because "domestic terrorists" and "OMG insurrection".

I mean, by that point you don't get to complain about insurrection
because you are as much of an insurrector. Probably bigger.

I don't disagree... I almost brought up the burnings and the killings
and such. Kinda odd that that's okay because it's not "DC" you know?


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poindexter FORTRAN wrote to jimmylogan <=-

jimmylogan wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

On the 1/6 point, I get what you're saying. I've never been, but I'd
think there's enough room in D.C. for different groups to hold rallies
at the same time. It might not have been the smartest move, but I don't think that alone makes him automatically guilty. People still have to
be responsible for their own actions.

On 1/6, Trump said, "I think right here, we're
going to walk down to the Capitol, and we're going to cheer on our
brave senators and congressmen and women, and we're probably not going
to be cheering so much for some of them."

Before that, he'd said "We fight like hell. And if you don't fight
like
hell, you're not going to have a country anymore," he said.

Walk down to the Capitol and cheer on some and not others. No violence mentioned.

"Fight" can mean fighting at the polls, fighting for rights in court,
etc. Again, not specifically fisticuffs.

And again, I wasn't there, but I'm pretty sure he didn't bus in people
to protest and provide bricks to throw...



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I mean, by that point you don't get to complain about insurrection because you are as much of an insurrector. Probably bigger.

I don't disagree... I almost brought up the burnings and the killings
and such. Kinda odd that that's okay because it's not "DC" you know?

My potentially faulty memory is that some of that activity did indeed
happen in DC, just not at the Capital Building.


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jimmylogan wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

And again, I wasn't there, but I'm pretty sure he didn't bus in people
to protest and provide bricks to throw...

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2021/10/details-of-the-money-behind-jan-6-protests-continue-to-emerge/


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jimmylogan wrote to Arelor <=-

I don't disagree... I almost brought up the burnings and the killings
and such. Kinda odd that that's okay because it's not "DC" you know?

Which killing? George Floyd? Breonna Taylor? The people that Kyle
Rittenhouse killed?

You're comparing protests against systemic racism with a violent protest attempting to disrupt an election.



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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: poindexter FORTRAN to jimmylogan on Thu Dec 04 2025 07:01 am

jimmylogan wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

And again, I wasn't there, but I'm pretty sure he didn't bus in
people to protest and provide bricks to throw...

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2021/10/details-of-the-mone y-behind-jan-6-protests-continue-to-emerge/

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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: poindexter FORTRAN to jimmylogan on Thu Dec 04 2025 07:01 am

Which killing? George Floyd? Breonna Taylor? The people that Kyle Rittenhouse killed?

you can't really call them people.
one guy abused his grandmother, the other guy raped 2 twin boys in the ass. also it was self defense.

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I don't disagree... I almost brought up the burnings and the killings and such. Kinda odd that that's okay because it's not "DC" you know?

Which killing? George Floyd? Breonna Taylor? The people that Kyle
Rittenhouse killed?

Maybe the one where the "protesters" killed the off-duty (and black) security guard? Or maybe the 16-y/o that got shot dead in Seattle's CHOP/CHAZ? Or
the 19-y/o killed there?

I question why Kyle was there instead of the real cops (who apparently
couldn't be bothered) or the National Guard, but I have 0% doubt at all that
if he'd not shot those people "dead Kyle Rittenhouse" would be in my list above.

You're comparing protests against systemic racism with a violent protest attempting to disrupt an election.

Why does that matter? Violent protests are violent protests. Both were
wrong, but only a few of us are willing to admit that because the rest are
too busy with their defending "my side" of the political poles BS -- "Jan 6
was bad but Summer 2020 was necessary," or vise versa. Both are wrong.


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Dumas Walker wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-

I don't disagree... I almost brought up the burnings and the killings and such. Kinda odd that that's okay because it's not "DC" you know?

Which killing? George Floyd? Breonna Taylor? The people that Kyle Rittenhouse killed?

Maybe the one where the "protesters" killed the off-duty (and black) security guard? Or maybe the 16-y/o that got shot dead in Seattle's CHOP/CHAZ? Or the 19-y/o killed there?

Don't forget the one where a large group of lefty thugs completely took
over a few city blocks in Seattle, for days, and eventually burned down
the Police Station there. Similar things in Portland.

I question why Kyle was there instead of the real cops (who apparently couldn't be bothered) or the National Guard, but I have 0% doubt at all that if he'd not shot those people "dead Kyle Rittenhouse" would be in
my list above.

No doubt about that.

You're comparing protests against systemic racism with a violent protest attempting to disrupt an election.

Why does that matter? Violent protests are violent protests. Both
were wrong, but only a few of us are willing to admit that because the rest are too busy with their defending "my side" of the political poles
BS -- "Jan 6 was bad but Summer 2020 was necessary," or vise versa.
Both are wrong.

In the eyes of TDS-Lefties like the one you are talking to, that whole
"BLM / Antifa" bullshit was "necessary". The "my side" is the only
thing those people know.




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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Dumas Walker to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Fri Dec 05 2025 11:27 am

I question why Kyle was there instead of the real cops (who
apparently couldn't be bothered) or the National Guard, but I have
0% doubt at all that if he'd not shot those people "dead Kyle
Rittenhouse" would be in my list above.

There were 125 national guard and police AND people who were defending their own streets and people were defending properties. rittenhouse was there defending a used car dealership. police also thanked him and other people for helping out.

imagine that hundreds of people, probably more came from your area and
outside your area to cause problems and attack people on the street and burn businesses. this is literally what happened. This is the area where i was living and I worked in kenosha during that time.

there's only so many police. as an american you have a right to defend
order.

Rittenhouse ended the riots. that is literally what happened. shooting those 3 pieces of shit sent a message. also our shitty gov brought in more nationalguard making it around 500. then the people with the burnt down businesses got tickets the next week from the city. have to have it cleaned
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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Gamgee to Dumas Walker on Fri Dec 05 2025 16:13:35

Dumas Walker wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-

I don't disagree... I almost brought up the burnings and the killings and such. Kinda odd that that's okay because it's not "DC" you know?

Which killing? George Floyd? Breonna Taylor? The people that Kyle Rittenhouse killed?

Maybe the one where the "protesters" killed the off-duty (and black) security guard? Or maybe the 16-y/o that got shot dead in Seattle's CHOP/CHAZ? Or the 19-y/o killed there?

Don't forget the one where a large group of lefty thugs completely took
over a few city blocks in Seattle, for days, and eventually burned down
the Police Station there. Similar things in Portland.

I question why Kyle was there instead of the real cops (who apparently couldn't be bothered) or the National Guard, but I have 0% doubt at all that if he'd not shot those people "dead Kyle Rittenhouse" would be in my list above.

No doubt about that.

You're comparing protests against systemic racism with a violent protest attempting to disrupt an election.

Why does that matter? Violent protests are violent protests. Both were wrong, but only a few of us are willing to admit that because the rest are too busy with their defending "my side" of the political poles BS -- "Jan 6 was bad but Summer 2020 was necessary," or vise versa. Both are wrong.

In the eyes of TDS-Lefties like the one you are talking to, that whole
"BLM / Antifa" bullshit was "necessary". The "my side" is the only
thing those people know.

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Not our fault the president fulfills almost all 14 points of fascism lol
ANTIFA is an ideology, not a group. Everyone sensible is anti-fascist, because the only alternative is fascist...

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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Logic44 to Gamgee on Fri Dec 05 2025 11:17 pm

Not our fault the president fulfills almost all 14 points of fascism lol ANTIFA is an ideology, not a group. Everyone sensible is anti-fascist, because the only alternative is fascist...

There's a cemetery where at least 8,466 ANTIFA are buried. It's just across the river from the White House.

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Dumas Walker wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-

I don't disagree... I almost brought up the burnings and the killings and such. Kinda odd that that's okay because it's not "DC" you know?

Which killing? George Floyd? Breonna Taylor? The people that Kyle Rittenhouse killed?

Maybe the one where the "protesters" killed the off-duty (and black) security guard? Or maybe the 16-y/o that got shot dead in Seattle's CHOP/CHAZ? Or the 19-y/o killed there?

Don't forget the one where a large group of lefty thugs completely took
over a few city blocks in Seattle, for days, and eventually burned down
the Police Station there. Similar things in Portland.

I didn't forget. That is what the CHOP/CHAZ was called. One of those two murders remains unsolved, IMHO mainly because local government left the area
to anarchy and "voices being heard." The 19 year old was killed by another protestor. 16-year-old Antonio Mays was apparently shot by the CHOP's self-appointed security force but no one has ever been charged. There is a civil trial about to start, or that has just started.

The murder of Mays is what forced Seattle to finally start upholding the law and to take those blocks back over.


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Not our fault the president fulfills almost all 14 points of fascism lol ANTIFA is an ideology, not a group. Everyone sensible is anti-fascist, because
the only alternative is fascist...

No, it is both an ideology and a group.

The ideology is what most of us sensibile people agree with.

The group, or "movement," if you will, is actually a bunch of decentralized "groups." They claim to be anti-fascist (and some groups might be) but in reality seem much more to be anti-capitalist and either pro-social/communist
or pro-anarchy. They claim to be non-violent but have proven otherwise.

The movement is what most sensibile people *disagree* with.


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Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-

Dumas Walker wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-

I don't disagree... I almost brought up the burnings and the

killings

and such. Kinda odd that that's okay because it's not "DC" you know?

Which killing? George Floyd? Breonna Taylor? The people that Kyle Rittenhouse killed?

Maybe the one where the "protesters" killed the off-duty (and black) security guard? Or maybe the 16-y/o that got shot dead in Seattle's CHOP/CHAZ? Or the 19-y/o killed there?

Don't forget the one where a large group of lefty thugs completely took
over a few city blocks in Seattle, for days, and eventually burned down
the Police Station there. Similar things in Portland.

I didn't forget. That is what the CHOP/CHAZ was called. One of those
two murders remains unsolved, IMHO mainly because local government left the area to anarchy and "voices being heard." The 19 year old was
killed by another protestor. 16-year-old Antonio Mays was apparently
shot by the CHOP's self-appointed security force but no one has ever
been charged. There is a civil trial about to start, or that has just started.

The murder of Mays is what forced Seattle to finally start upholding
the law and to take those blocks back over.

Ahhhhh.... OK good. Didn't know the CHOP/CHAZ names. I have heard that Seattle has really turned into a leftist sewage pit. Thanks.




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Dumas Walker wrote to LOGIC44 <=-

Not our fault the president fulfills almost all 14 points of fascism lol ANTIFA is an ideology, not a group. Everyone sensible is anti-fascist,

because

the only alternative is fascist...

No, it is both an ideology and a group.

The ideology is what most of us sensibile people agree with.

Absolutely correct.

The group, or "movement," if you will, is actually a bunch of decentralized "groups." They claim to be anti-fascist (and some groups might be) but in reality seem much more to be anti-capitalist and
either pro-social/communist or pro-anarchy. They claim to be
non-violent but have proven otherwise.

Yes.

The movement is what most sensibile people *disagree* with.

Indeed. Except for the radical lefties that use it as a cover and then
play dumb when it's talked about. Like a few folks in this very echo.




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nationalguard making it around 500. then the people with the burnt down businesses got tickets the next week from the city. have to have it cleaned up asap.

Yeah I remember that. That was some real BS. Why charge the responsible parties for the destruction when you can just fine the victims instead? :(


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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Dumas Walker to LOGIC44 on Sat Dec 06 2025 10:37:13

If we refer to Umberto Eco's 14 points of fascism, we can see how Trump embodies a majority of them. A quick note: Meeting only one or two of these is not what makes one a fascist. However, it's a lot easier to make the argument when they embody almost all of them...

Most of the ANTIFA violence I've seen is provoked by fascists or fascist ajdacent actors, meaning most of what I've seen is pretty much self-defense.
Right wing political violence is, statistically speaking, MUCH more prevalent than left wing violence.

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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: DaiTengu to Logic44 on Sat Dec 06 2025 10:50:11

My point exactly...

By some people's logic, D-Day was a terrorist invasion of a soveiregn nation, and we call those people sympathizers.

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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Logic44 to Dumas Walker on Sat Dec 06 2025 02:56 pm

Right wing political violence is, statistically speaking, MUCH more prevalent than left wing violence.

What in the hell are you smoking?

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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Bf2k+ to Logic44 on Sat Dec 06 2025 16:09:13

Statistics, my friend.

Even the FBI statistics prove this.

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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Gamgee to Dumas Walker on Sat Dec 06 2025 13:09:21

Was D-Day a terrorist invasion?

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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Gamgee to Dumas Walker on Sat Dec 06 2025 13:09:21

Was D-Day a terrorist invasion?

No.

Will you please fuck off?


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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Logic44 to Bf2k+ on Sat Dec 06 2025 08:41 pm

Statistics, my friend.

Even the FBI statistics prove this.

you should quote the message you're responding to so we know WTF you're talking about.
and also maybe cite the FBI stats with a website showing what you're saying is factual.


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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: DaiTengu to Logic44 on Sat Dec 06 2025 10:50 am

There's a cemetery where at least 8,466 ANTIFA are buried. It's just
across the river from the White House.

i think you have it mixed up. antifa are modern day terrorists.
if you ever had to deal with them you wouldn't look up to them.
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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Dumas Walker to LOGIC44 on Sat Dec 06 2025 10:37 am

No, it is both an ideology and a group.

The ideology is what most of us sensibile people agree with.

The group, or "movement," if you will, is actually a bunch of

it's like 'anonymous'

it's a bunch of punks. nothing else.
it's loosly knit but there is a command structure. they get the idiots
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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Sat Dec 06 2025 09:50 am

nationalguard making it around 500. then the people with
the burnt down businesses got tickets the next week from the city.
have to have it cleaned up asap.

Yeah I remember that. That was some real BS. Why charge the
responsible parties for the destruction when you can just fine the
victims instead? :(

because it would be racist to go after the responsible parties!
that's what you get when you vote democrat.

the dealership that had all the cars destroyed was waiting on an insurance company rep to come by and try to get vins. the city didnt care.

in that area there were bricks left out too. in my home city which is by kenosha they hid them on main street the day before.
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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Logic44 to Dumas Walker on Sat Dec 06 2025 02:56 pm

Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Dumas Walker to LOGIC44 on Sat Dec 06 2025 10:37:13

If we refer to Umberto Eco's 14 points of fascism, we can see how
Trump embodies a majority of them. A quick note: Meeting only one or
two of these is not what makes one a fascist. However, it's a lot

that sounds like the gayest shit i've heard in a long time.

if trump is a facist, lets have more of that. he's doing a better job than the last 4 presidents.

Most of the ANTIFA violence I've seen is provoked by fascists
or fascist ajdacent actors, meaning most of what I've seen is pretty

by seen do you mean when you watch cnn?

you dont provoke violence. these people were fucking animals who hurt good people.

much self-defense. Right wing political violence is, statistically
speaking, MUCH more prevalent than left wing violence.

i'm sure you cried over the rapist that rittenhouse shot.

also that's the most delusional shit i've ever seen. you are really
off your rocker today, random dude.
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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Bf2k+ to Logic44 on Sat Dec 06 2025 04:09 pm

Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Logic44 to Dumas Walker on Sat Dec 06 2025 02:56 pm

Right wing political violence is, statistically speaking, MUCH more prevalent than left wing violence.

What in the hell are you smoking?

exactly. we've had years of 'left wing' people burning businesses, attacking people and drawing swastikas on everything.
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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Logic44 to Bf2k+ on Sat Dec 06 2025 08:41 pm

Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Bf2k+ to Logic44 on Sat Dec 06 2025 16:09:13

Statistics, my friend.

is that a new word for crack cocaine?

Even the FBI statistics prove this.

oh yeah they are someone to be trusted. the cia too!
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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Denn to Logic44 on Sat Dec 06 2025 22:41:32



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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Denn to Logic44 on Sat Dec 06 2025 22:41:32


https://www.congress.gov/119/meeting/house/118612/documents/HHRG-119-JU00-20250917-SD057-U57.pdf
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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Gamgee to Logic44 on Sat Dec 06 2025 22:17:44

Logic44 wrote to Gamgee <=-

Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Gamgee to Dumas Walker on Sat Dec 06 2025 13:09:21

Was D-Day a terrorist invasion?

No.

Will you please fuck off?

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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: MRO to Logic44 on Sun Dec 07 2025 05:21:47

Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Logic44 to Bf2k+ on Sat Dec 06 2025 08:41 pm

Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Bf2k+ to Logic44 on Sat Dec 06 2025 16:09:13

Statistics, my friend.

is that a new word for crack cocaine?

Even the FBI statistics prove this.

oh yeah they are someone to be trusted. the cia too!

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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: MRO to DaiTengu on Sun Dec 07 2025 05:13:50

Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: DaiTengu to Logic44 on Sat Dec 06 2025 10:50 am

There's a cemetery where at least 8,466 ANTIFA are buried. It's just across the river from the White House.

i think you have it mixed up. antifa are modern day terrorists.
if you ever had to deal with them you wouldn't look up to them.

Considering that those people helped destroy fascism, I'd say not. They've got it right on the money.
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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Logic44 to Denn on Sun Dec 07 2025 08:16 am

https://www.congress.gov/119/meeting/house/118612/documents/HHRG-119-JU00- 20250 917-SD057-U57.pdf
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You said previously it was FBI stats, then you link to an article from
the Hill, that's apparently on www.congress.gov.

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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: MRO to DaiTengu on Sun Dec 07 2025 05:13 am

There's a cemetery where at least 8,466 ANTIFA are buried. It's just across
the river from the White House.

i think you have it mixed up. antifa are modern day terrorists. if you ever had to deal with them you wouldn't look up to them.

You're the confused one. You're assuming that "antifa" is an organized group of people. It is not. It is a label for people who stand against fascism.

just like you and I are both "sysops" I doubt anyone would say we're organized.

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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: MRO to Bf2k+ on Sun Dec 07 2025 05:21:13

Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Bf2k+ to Logic44 on Sat Dec 06 2025 04:09 pm

Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Logic44 to Dumas Walker on Sat Dec 06 2025 02:56 pm

Right wing political violence is, statistically speaking, MUCH more prevalent than left wing violence.

What in the hell are you smoking?

exactly. we've had years of 'left wing' people burning businesses, attacking people and drawing swastikas on everything.

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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: MRO to Logic44 on Sun Dec 07 2025 05:20:14

that sounds like the gayest shit i've heard in a long time.

Just say you don't have an argument against it, dude.

Is you definition of "Doing better than the last 4 presidents" tanking the economy, attempting to control the media, throwing more innocent people in jail than any of the last 4, and promoting hatred within his administration and party?
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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Logic44 to Dumas Walker on Sat Dec 06 2025 02:56 pm

Right wing political violence is, statistically speaking, MUCH more prevalent than left wing violence.

What in the hell are you smoking?

Whatever it is I bet he won't share it with you. :D


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Logic44 wrote to Gamgee <=-

Was D-Day a terrorist invasion?

No.

+1.

Will you please f*ck off?

You have disagreed with him/her/them, which makes you a fascist -- a very ANTIFA (the movement) reaction indeed.


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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Denn to Logic44 on Sun Dec 07 2025 08:07:39

Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Logic44 to Denn on Sun Dec 07 2025 08:16 am

https://www.congress.gov/119/meeting/house/118612/documents/HHRG-119-JU 00- 20250 917-SD057-U57.pdf
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You said previously it was FBI stats, then you link to an article from
the Hill, that's apparently on www.congress.gov.

Yeah, because it got deleted from the FBI website by the Trump "Administration".
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Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-

Logic44 wrote to Gamgee <=-

Was D-Day a terrorist invasion?

No.

+1.

Will you please f*ck off?

You have disagreed with him/her/them, which makes you a fascist -- a
very ANTIFA (the movement) reaction indeed.

Heh, yep.

I won't be responding to the whacko any further. He'll drift away very
soon, just like all trolls do.




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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: DaiTengu to MRO on Sun Dec 07 2025 08:14:21

Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: MRO to DaiTengu on Sun Dec 07 2025 05:13 am

There's a cemetery where at least 8,466 ANTIFA are buried. It's just across
the river from the White House.

i think you have it mixed up. antifa are modern day terrorists. if you ever had to deal with them you wouldn't look up to them.

You're the confused one. You're assuming that "antifa" is an organized group of people. It is not. It is a label for people who stand against fascism.

just like you and I are both "sysops" I doubt anyone would say we're organized.

...Have a nice day ...somewhere else.

Yeah, we clearly disagree a LOT lmao.
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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Dumas Walker to GAMGEE on Sun Dec 07 2025 11:13:35

Logic44 wrote to Gamgee <=-

Was D-Day a terrorist invasion?

No.

+1.

Will you please f*ck off?

You have disagreed with him/her/them, which makes you a fascist -- a very ANTIFA (the movement) reaction indeed.

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If D-Day wasn't a terrorist invasion, how are anti-fascists terrorists?

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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Logic44 to Denn on Sun Dec 07 2025 02:27 pm

You said previously it was FBI stats, then you link to an article from
the Hill, that's apparently on www.congress.gov.

Yeah, because it got deleted from the FBI website by the Trump "Administration".

More than likely taken down because it was dis-information is my bet.

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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Gamgee to Dumas Walker on Sun Dec 07 2025 13:01:04

I won't be responding to the whacko any further. He'll drift away very soon, just like all trolls do.

Not a troll, you're just salty and don't wanna use this board for its purpose.

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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Denn to Logic44 on Sun Dec 07 2025 15:44:34

Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Logic44 to Denn on Sun Dec 07 2025 02:27 pm

You said previously it was FBI stats, then you link to an article from
the Hill, that's apparently on www.congress.gov.

Yeah, because it got deleted from the FBI website by the Trump "Administration".

More than likely taken down because it was dis-information is my bet.

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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Dumas Walker to BF2K+ on Sun Dec 07 2025 11:13:35

What in the hell are you smoking?

Whatever it is I bet he won't share it with you. :D

Nah, I did...
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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Logic44 to MRO on Sun Dec 07 2025 08:33 am

So even with a clear right-wing bias, you don't believe the evidence?

i'm not right wing. i'm just not on your side.

no i dont believe the fbi.
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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Logic44 to MRO on Sun Dec 07 2025 08:35 am

Considering that those people helped destroy fascism, I'd say not.
They've got it right on the money.

that's hillarious. what facism is there and what did they help to destory?

are you from another universe?
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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: DaiTengu to MRO on Sun Dec 07 2025 08:14 am

You're the confused one. You're assuming that "antifa" is an
organized group of people. It is not. It is a label for people who
stand against fascism.

no i'm not confused. you're describing exactly what anonymous was and is. antifa and blm borrowed from their book.

there's people who are the higher ups. they can call the shots. like minded people are below in the chain. people randomly join because they consider themselves social justic warriors. they may not all meet together but they all work towards the same goals and they receive direction as needed.

this type of stuff has happened forever. it's a form of guerrilla warefare with a social spin.

just like you and I are both "sysops" I doubt anyone would say we're organized.

if were were sysops who hobbies were burning shit down and having violent protests, we probably would be showing up at the same events and doing the
same things.

digitalman doesn't have to tell us what to do but sometimes he
would post about how he doesn't like something and that would become part
of our mindset. and it's probably a good idea to pay the ones that are
really good at organizing these protests 100k or more and have their
underlings make around 60k. we also would get millions in donations from
rich people.

as a bonus what we do gets put on tv and random people join us and do shit
for free!

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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Logic44 to MRO on Sun Dec 07 2025 11:11 am

Don't forget the cowards who march through the streets of Ohio
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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Logic44 to MRO on Sun Dec 07 2025 11:16 am

Is you definition of "Doing better than the last 4 presidents"
tanking the economy, attempting to control the media, throwing
more innocent people in jail than any of the last 4, and promoting

like i said, are you from another universe or something?
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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Logic44 to DaiTengu on Sun Dec 07 2025 02:29 pm

Yeah, we clearly disagree a LOT lmao.

well you watch tv and post on reddit.

i had to deal with antifa and all that garbage in real life.
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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Logic44 to Dumas Walker on Sun Dec 07 2025 02:33 pm

If D-Day wasn't a terrorist invasion, how are anti-fascists
terrorists?

so this is your incredible reach to compare right wing to nazis.
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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Bf2k+ to Logic44 on Sat Dec 06 2025 16:09:13

Statistics, my friend.

Even the FBI statistics prove this.

Post 'em.


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Was D-Day a terrorist invasion?

No, it was ANTIFA!



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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Logic44 to Denn on Sun Dec 07 2025 08:13 pm

You said previously it was FBI stats, then you link to an article
from the Hill, that's apparently on www.congress.gov.

Yeah, because it got deleted from the FBI website by the Trump
"Administration".

More than likely taken down because it was dis-information is my bet.

Was it though, or did it just not confirm your bias?

More than likely that's the reason.
The article is inaccurate, I'm always weary when they say "studies show"


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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: MRO to Logic44 on Sun Dec 07 2025 21:52:55

Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Logic44 to DaiTengu on Sun Dec 07 2025 02:29 pm

Yeah, we clearly disagree a LOT lmao.

well you watch tv and post on reddit.

i had to deal with antifa and all that garbage in real life.

I fuckin' doubt it, but ok.
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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: MRO to Logic44 on Sun Dec 07 2025 21:43:16

Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Logic44 to MRO on Sun Dec 07 2025 08:35 am

Considering that those people helped destroy fascism, I'd say not. They've got it right on the money.

that's hillarious. what facism is there and what did they help to destory?

are you from another universe?

Who do you think is buried in Arlington?

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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: MRO to Logic44 on Sun Dec 07 2025 21:54:08

Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Logic44 to Dumas Walker on Sun Dec 07 2025 02:33 pm

If D-Day wasn't a terrorist invasion, how are anti-fascists
terrorists?

so this is your incredible reach to compare right wing to nazis.

The bigger reach is calling Antifa terrorists when they don't target civilians with the express purpose of causing fear, which is the definition of terrorism. Their targets are government and military, but mostly government.

If they get scared, that's not terrorism, that's psychological warfare...

If they're scared, frankly, they're cowards, because the American people, including Antifa have shown INCREDIBLE RESTRAINT.

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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Logic44 to MRO on Mon Dec 08 2025 12:35 am

Yeah, we clearly disagree a LOT lmao.

well you watch tv and post on reddit.

i had to deal with antifa and all that garbage in real life.

I fuckin' doubt it, but ok. ****************************************

you can doubt whatever you want. i don't have a horse in this race.

one thing is i don't have much respect for you from what you've written in this short time.
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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Logic44 to MRO on Mon Dec 08 2025 12:41 am

The bigger reach is calling Antifa terrorists when they don't target civilians with the express purpose of causing fear, which is the
definition of terrorism.

They actually have in the areas where i lived and grew up.

If they get scared, that's not terrorism, that's psychological
warfare...

If they're scared, frankly, they're cowards, because the American
people, including Antifa have shown INCREDIBLE RESTRAINT.

i think you get most of your information from television or vids you
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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Denn to Logic44 on Sun Dec 07 2025 23:10:17

Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Logic44 to Denn on Sun Dec 07 2025 08:13 pm

You said previously it was FBI stats, then you link to an article
from the Hill, that's apparently on www.congress.gov.

Yeah, because it got deleted from the FBI website by the Trump
"Administration".

More than likely taken down because it was dis-information is my bet.

Was it though, or did it just not confirm your bias?

More than likely that's the reason.
The article is inaccurate, I'm always weary when they say "studies show"

... Putting "study says" at the end of a claim adds to its credibility.

I'm pretty sure there are archives, so I'll look for the evidence for you, if you don't get a back to back post, I might have forgotten.

Also, how else are we meant to prove something if not with data and scientific studies?
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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Logic44 on Sun Dec 07 2025 22:38:13

Logic44 wrote to Bf2k+ <=-

Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Bf2k+ to Logic44 on Sat Dec 06 2025 16:09:13

Statistics, my friend.

Even the FBI statistics prove this.

Post 'em.

I posted the article about it, I'll try to find an archive of the actual page if I can.

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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Logic44 to Denn on Mon Dec 08 2025 05:07 am

Was it though, or did it just not confirm your bias?

More than likely that's the reason.
The article is inaccurate, I'm always weary when they say "studies
show"

... Putting "study says" at the end of a claim adds to its credibility.

I'm pretty sure there are archives, so I'll look for the evidence for you, if you don't get a back to back post, I might have forgotten.

Also, how else are we meant to prove something if not with data and scientific studies?

Anyone can make, or make up a study.
as far as being a scientific sudy, I doubt that was.

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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: MRO to Logic44 on Mon Dec 08 2025 03:53:32

Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Logic44 to MRO on Mon Dec 08 2025 12:41 am

The bigger reach is calling Antifa terrorists when they don't target civilians with the express purpose of causing fear, which is the definition of terrorism.

They actually have in the areas where i lived and grew up.

Ok, prove it.

i think you get most of your information from television or vids you
see online.

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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: MRO to Logic44 on Mon Dec 08 2025 03:52:05

you can doubt whatever you want. i don't have a horse in this race.

one thing is i don't have much respect for you from what you've written in this short time.

You can disrespect me all you want, but I haven't even been mad or lashing out here.

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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Logic44 on Sun Dec 07 2025 22:38:13

Post 'em.

Didn't find an archive, but I found another source:

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-politics/article/who-supports-political-violence/9A6BE3C153607A2E26B5DF8076F1753D
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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Logic44 to MRO on Mon Dec 08 2025 11:30 am

definition of terrorism.

They actually have in the areas where i lived and grew up.

Ok, prove it.

i'm definately not obligated to prove anything to a shit dick like you.

Is your only evidence a lived experience? That's rather weak.

being part of it is the most strong experience you can have.
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Will you please f*ck off?

You have disagreed with him/her/them, which makes you a fascist -- a very ANTIFA (the movement) reaction indeed.

If D-Day wasn't a terrorist invasion, how are anti-fascists terrorists?

D-Day was about liberating previously free countries from a foreign
enemy who had invaded them, and had declared war against the USA after said enemy's ally had bombed Pearl Harbor. The fact that said foreign enemy is one that is considered "fascist" was coincedence.

OTOH, many of the recent "anti-fascist" action are against capitalism. I
know, you are going to wave around the fact that Trump checks some boxes,
but how to you explain the folks who kept their actions up *after* he lost
the 2020 election?

Yeah, that did happen but since the authorities in charge in places like Portland, Seattle, etc., were no longer interested in using ANTIFA as a
pawn to get rid of Trump, they were quick to (finally) do their jobs, move in, and put a stop to all the BS. "No more burning, looting, etc., now that the bad man has lost."

There is no logical comparison between D-Day and the events of the Summer
of 2020, period. Trying to draw one is either intentionally misleading or
just plain dumb.


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You're the confused one. You're assuming that "antifa" is an organized
group of people. It is not. It is a label for people who stand against
fascism.

It is both. Claiming that anyone who thinks fascism is bad is "antifa" is
very intentionally misleading.

I believe fascism is bad, but you aren't going to see me running
around setting fires or being part of a group that takes over several
blocks in Seattle, while pointing and yelling "Fascists!!!" whenever
someone points a camera at me, just because someone I don't like is President... or because I just don't like the USA or capitalism or anything that promotes/supports an organized society.

*That* is the difference between someone who is literally anti-fascist, and someone who is a part of the higly decentralized array of autonomous groups
who claim to be "anti-fascist" that most of us know as "antifa."

BTW, you also aren't going to catch me running around wearing a red hat and trying to break into the Capitol because the person I voted for didn't win, because IMHO that is also stupid and wrong.


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Was it though, or did it just not confirm your bias?

More than likely that's the reason.
The article is inaccurate, I'm always weary when they say "studies show"

If they use that phrase, they need to cite those studies. Otherwise, they
are not a valid citation.


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Was D-Day a terrorist invasion?

No, it was ANTIFA!

No, it was an invasion to liberate free nations from another country that had invaded them, and that had declared war against the Unites States.

Or do you actually believe that D-Day doesn't happen if Germany is considered something other than fascist?


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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Denn to Logic44 on Mon Dec 08 2025 08:15:12

Anyone can make, or make up a study.
as far as being a scientific sudy, I doubt that was.

You can think whatever you want, but the facts are there...

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-politics/article/who-supports-political-violence/9A6BE3C153607A2E26B5DF8076F1753D

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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Dumas Walker to LOGIC44 on Mon Dec 08 2025 11:14:52

There is no logical comparison between D-Day and the events of the Summer
of 2020, period. Trying to draw one is either intentionally misleading or just plain dumb.

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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Dumas Walker to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Mon Dec 08 2025 11:14:52

Or do you actually believe that D-Day doesn't happen if Germany is considered something other than fascist?

No, I'm just asking because that action was inherently anti-fascist.

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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: MRO to Logic44 on Mon Dec 08 2025 12:12:09

being part of it is the most strong experience you can have.

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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: MRO to Logic44 on Mon Dec 08 2025 12:12:09

i'm definately not obligated to prove anything to a shit dick like you.

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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Logic44 to MRO on Mon Dec 08 2025 03:53 pm

i'm definately not obligated to prove anything to a shit dick like you.

Why are you so hostile? I wasn't even that disrespectful lmao

MRO is sort of a long-time resident troll on Dove-Net. That kind of language & behavior from him isn't surprising.

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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: MRO to Dumas Walker on Sun Dec 07 2025 05:17 am

in that area there were bricks left out too. in my home city which is by kenosha they hid them on main street the day before.

Yeaah, the minions deposited bricks on pallets here in my hometown (RVA) when they bussed in the assholes to tear up everything...

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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Logic44 to Bf2k+ on Sat Dec 06 2025 08:41 pm

Statistics, my friend.

Even the FBI statistics prove this.

I guess you got your statistics from CNN or MSNBC huh?

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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Logic44 to MRO on Sun Dec 07 2025 08:35 am

i think you have it mixed up. antifa are modern day terrorists.
if you ever had to deal with them you wouldn't look up to them.

Considering that those people helped destroy fascism, I'd say not. They've got it right on the money.

Dude you are delusional... get some therapy.

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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Nightfox to Logic44 on Mon Dec 08 2025 14:46:22

MRO is sort of a long-time resident troll on Dove-Net. That kind of language & behavior from him isn't surprising.

I should've known considering how he was acting.

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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Bf2k+ to MRO on Mon Dec 08 2025 17:33:36

Yeaah, the minions deposited bricks on pallets here in my hometown (RVA) when they bussed in the assholes to tear up everything...

Prove it.

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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Bf2k+ to Logic44 on Mon Dec 08 2025 17:39:31

Considering that those people helped destroy fascism, I'd say not. They've got it right on the money.

Dude you are delusional... get some therapy.

So WW2 never happened? That's who's buried in that cemetery, people who died fighting fascism.

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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Dumas Walker to DENN on Mon Dec 08 2025 11:14 am

More than likely that's the reason.
The article is inaccurate, I'm always weary when they say "studies
show"

If they use that phrase, they need to cite those studies. Otherwise, they

True, another point is this, anyone can say "studies show" whithout proof that a study was ever done, it's a tactic to try and intimidate trying to make it sound as though the pooint has been proven, and that's why (back to your point), they need to give citation.

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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Denn to Dumas Walker on Mon Dec 08 2025 22:53:49

True, another point is this, anyone can say "studies show" whithout proof that a study was ever done, it's a tactic to try and intimidate trying to make it sound as though the pooint has been proven, and that's why (back to your point), they need to give citation.

I cited a primary source, but ok...

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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Dumas Walker to DAITENGU on Mon Dec 08 2025 11:14 am

I believe fascism is bad, but you aren't going to see me running
around setting fires or being part of a group that takes over several
blocks in Seattle, while pointing and yelling "Fascists!!!" whenever
someone points a camera at me, just because someone I don't like is President... or because I just don't like the USA or capitalism

we don't even HAVE fascism in today's age. people that think trump is literally a nazi think he is a fascist. if he WAS a fascist these people wouldn't be alive to speak their mind.

BTW, you also aren't going to catch me running around wearing a red
hat and trying to break into the Capitol because the person I voted
for didn't win, because IMHO that is also stupid and wrong.

that's the world we live in. in minnesota this guy vandalized several cars.
he caused 21k of damage by scratching swastikas on them. the didn't file charges on him.

"But Hennepin County Attorney Mary Moriarty declined to file charges against the suspect, instead putting him in a diversion program so he can keep his
job and pay restitution to the victims. Prosecutors said charges remain on
the table should the vandalism continue."

most news sources wouldn't even name him. he is a man who works for the dept of human services in minnesota.

the media is pushing people into crazy ways of thinking and pushing them into acting like animals.
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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Bf2k+ to MRO on Mon Dec 08 2025 05:33 pm

in that area there were bricks left out too. in my home city which
is by kenosha they hid them on main street the day before.

Yeaah, the minions deposited bricks on pallets here in my hometown
(RVA) when they bussed in the assholes to tear up everything...

Yeah they had people bussed in and they caught people in vans with weapons. Around that time you could not get in or get out of that area. the police created a blockade between wisconsin and illinois.

Elderly people were attacked, people walking down the street were hit with bricks, businesses were burnt down.

Anybody that supports antifia is a piece of shit in my book.
i support peaceful protests but not domestic terrorism attacks.

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There is no logical comparison between D-Day and the events of the Summer of 2020, period. Trying to draw one is either intentionally misleading or just plain dumb.

I never did, because at least 80% of those protests were peaceful.

^^^^^^^^^^^

You are the one that asked the question, and then insinuated some
comparison between the two, so I would say you most certainly did.


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Or do you actually believe that D-Day doesn't happen if Germany is considered something other than fascist?

No, I'm just asking because that action was inherently anti-fascist.

No, it really wasn't. The action was against a foreign power that had
invaded countries and declared war against the United States.

Unless you are saying that only fascist countries invade others --
blatantly false -- the fact that Germany was fascist had nothing to do with
why that action was taken. If it did, the action would have been taken
*long* before it was.


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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Logic44 to Denn on Tue Dec 09 2025 04:41 am

True, another point is this, anyone can say "studies show" whithout
proof that a study was ever done, it's a tactic to try and intimidate
trying to make it sound as though the pooint has been proven, and
that's why (back to your point), they need to give citation.

I cited a primary source, but ok...

And I'm actullay refering to your citation, in that article it mentions a study done but no proof that this study was really done.
Just because there is a claim of a study, without a link to that study makes it just a claim.

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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: MRO to Bf2k+ on Tue Dec 09 2025 05:32:34

Yeah they had people bussed in and they caught people in vans with weapons. Around that time you could not get in or get out of that area. the police created a blockade between wisconsin and illinois.

Elderly people were attacked, people walking down the street were hit with bricks, businesses were burnt down.

Anybody that supports antifia is a piece of shit in my book.
i support peaceful protests but not domestic terrorism attacks.

Prove it.
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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: MRO to Dumas Walker on Tue Dec 09 2025 05:27:51

we don't even HAVE fascism in today's age. people that think trump is literally a nazi think he is a fascist. if he WAS a fascist these people wouldn't be alive to speak their mind.

That's because you don't understand the 14 points of fascism, which is the definition most wideky used.

that's the world we live in. in minnesota this guy vandalized several cars.
he caused 21k of damage by scratching swastikas on them. the didn't file charges on him.
the media is pushing people into crazy ways of thinking and pushing them into acting like animals.

And this dude is somehow left-wing?

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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Denn to Logic44 on Tue Dec 09 2025 07:16:58

And I'm actullay refering to your citation, in that article it mentions a study done but no proof that this study was really done.
Just because there is a claim of a study, without a link to that study makes it just a claim.

Yeah, and then I cited a different study that came to the exact same conclusion.
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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Dumas Walker to LOGIC44 on Tue Dec 09 2025 09:29:51

You are the one that asked the question, and then insinuated some
comparison between the two, so I would say you most certainly did.

It's called a hypothetical, I was testing your consistency by bringing your logic to its natural conclusion.

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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Dumas Walker to LOGIC44 on Tue Dec 09 2025 09:29:51

No, I'm just asking because that action was inherently anti-fascist.

No, it really wasn't. The action was against a foreign power that had invaded countries and declared war against the United States.

If I set up a rat trap, even if I don't wanna get rid of all rats, isn't that action anti-rat?

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we don't even HAVE fascism in today's age. people that think trump is literally a nazi think he is a fascist. if he WAS a fascist these
people wouldn't be alive to speak their mind.

The biggest problem with "fascism" today is that most people who use the word don't know what it means.

And if you actually knew what "fascist" means, you would know that Trump isn't one. But most Democrats surely are and have been working for decades to push fastism here in the U.S.

the media is pushing people into crazy ways of thinking and pushing
them into acting like animals.

Rather the Media is the trigger point for the conditioning that some of these brainless people have been subjected to.


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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Dr. What to MRO on Wed Dec 10 2025 07:09 am

The biggest problem with "fascism" today is that most people who use
the word don't know what it means.

And if you actually knew what "fascist" means, you would know that
Trump isn't one. But most Democrats surely are and have been

it's a hate machine. stupid people run on hate so they adopt this anti -fascist methodology. they think they're superheros fighting the good fight.

if trump was really fascist they wouldn't be able to do the BS they try to
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No, I'm just asking because that action was inherently anti-fascist.

No, it really wasn't. The action was against a foreign power that had invaded countries and declared war against the United States.

If I set up a rat trap, even if I don't wanna get rid of all rats, isn't that
action anti-rat?

That is a poor comparison. A rat trap goes after rats, regardless of
their political leanings. Actually, it does prove my point, though... it
was not the political leanings of the enemy that caused D-Day to happen.
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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Logic44 to Bf2k+ on Mon Dec 08 2025 08:31 pm

Yeaah, the minions deposited bricks on pallets here in my hometown (RVA) when they bussed in the assholes to tear up everything...

Prove it.

I don't have to prove it... I touched the bricks from one of the pallets that had been deposited next to my friend's business.

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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Logic44 to Bf2k+ on Mon Dec 08 2025 08:32 pm

Considering that those people helped destroy fascism, I'd say not. They've got it right on the money.

Dude you are delusional... get some therapy.

So WW2 never happened? That's who's buried in that cemetery, people who died fighting fascism.

I'm talking about your incessant trolling... not WW2. I know a lot about WW2. My father was there.

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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: MRO to Bf2k+ on Tue Dec 09 2025 05:32 am

Anybody that supports antifia is a piece of shit in my book.

Exactly...

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Re: Re: Our President doesn't
By: Dumas Walker to LOGIC44 on Tue Dec 09 2025 09:29 am

You are the one that asked the question, and then insinuated some
comparison between the two, so I would say you most certainly did.

Yes... subterfuge is one of the mechanisms that trolls use to try to make their points. He did it to me too.

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